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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 11:32:36 GMT -5
I'm going to take a little break from here for awhile.
I've restarted writing this about a dozen times, but I'll just say this. A lot of righteousness at times, a lot of hate, it concerns me. Life's too short, there have to better ways at times to reflect on history and learn and find positive applications to our lives.
I've got some life stuff I've got to go do (and good stuff at that), I hope to see folks down the road. Keep reading those classics, that's definitely a love I think we all share.
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Post by Chris on Feb 26, 2023 12:41:24 GMT -5
Re: the disco thing - I'm not with you guys on this at all I agree with @jaska 100%.
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Post by Calidore on Feb 26, 2023 20:01:02 GMT -5
Calidore - Thank you! We're actually having a lazy Sunday at the house today, I think I'll jump right into this
You're welcome. Sorry to see you're stepping away, but I'll hope to see a review of this movie soon. :-)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 21:37:11 GMT -5
I'm going to take a little break from here for awhile. I've restarted writing this about a dozen times, but I'll just say this. A lot of righteousness at times, a lot of hate, it concerns me. Life's too short, there have to better ways at times to reflect on history and learn and find positive applications to our lives. I've got some life stuff I've got to go do (and good stuff at that), I hope to see folks down the road. Keep reading those classics, that's definitely a love I think we all share. Ok, change of plan...instead of taking a break, I decided to do something else that was recommended to me in the past. I've put some filtering on, hate to do it, but it is what it is and I'm hoping it's a better alternative than walking away. I look forward to still hanging here (even with the "life stuff" going on that may pull me away at times). I don't want to be part of the prior conversation anymore, so I've only kept posts up where people have replied or made reference so it doesn't disrupt the flow, my other comments are gone. Thanks to folks for understanding.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2023 22:07:32 GMT -5
Calidore - Thank you! We're actually having a lazy Sunday at the house today, I think I'll jump right into this
You're welcome. Sorry to see you're stepping away, but I'll hope to see a review of this movie soon. :-)
So with my prior post that I'm going to hang here after all, let's talk about that review! First off, I'm going to agree with foxley who said "The movie is pretty terrible, but enjoyable in a schlocky kind of way", perfect summary. I hate to even comment on the "special effects" because there really were none (even by low budget TV movie standards) other than a brief blue "glow effect" on a meteorite that is shown supposedly heading through space towards Earth in the opening. There could not have been a cheesier "Earth globe" used, I mean not even an attempt to make it look like it had clouds. So you know right from the start, it's one of those sit back and relax and just enjoy the cheesy ride. And in a weird way, it kind of delivers! The premise is a construction crew on a small uninhabited island, and the meteor lands there and ends up possessing their bulldozer, becoming the Killdozer that keeps killing off the crew members during the course of the film. And...that's about it. I won't give away the ending, though I don't think a spoiler would remotely make a difference in terms of viewing experience. So why did it deliver for me? The cast just hit the right spot...Clint Walker played the foreman, but I actually got the most kick out of Neville Brand as one of the crew, he was just perfect for (I'll use the word again) cheesy delivery that makes this sort of thing have a charm in spite of itself. I never made this connection before, but while watching it made me think how similar Thomas Haden Church looks and sounds like him. Maybe he can be in the remake Oh, and a young Robert Urich is one of the crew as well! And the first to go down. Recommended? Purely in the MST3000 sense I would say yes. This would have been a great movie for them actually!
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 27, 2023 11:33:28 GMT -5
I do think seeing Killdozer, in context, in the early 70s is a different experience than watching it now. It was a Movie of the Week, when ABC was producing a lot of those, including several horror and sci-fi themed ones. The two Kolchak films are around this time, the Six Million Dollar Man original movie (there were 3, before the series, so I hesitate to call the first a "pilot"), Bad Ronald, Earth 2 (about a space station, which is a sovereign state) and Richard Matheson's Trilogy of Terror. None of them had much in the way of budgets; but, they put some effort in the writing and the casting and, for the period, they were pretty good tv viewing. They were something different, especially if you were a kid and a genre fan. I wasn't into horror; but, Killdozer is sci-fi enough for me. Yeah, in hindsight, it's pretty cheesy; but, if you watch some of the dramas of the era, it isn't much cheesier than they are, other than the fact the plot revolves around a bulldozer trying to mow people down, rather than the Waltons trying to earn enough money to fix the truck or similar things.
Damnation Alley is another for some cheesy, low budget fun. The afore-mentioned Earth 2 (available on the Warner Archive site) is a pretty decent drama, with enough sci-fi trappings to make it interesting; but not take the entire budget. Another cheesy drama is Death Race, which is not the Corman film; but, a tv movie with Doug McClure, Roy Thinnes and Lloyd Bridges. McClure and Thinnes are P-40 pilots, in North Africa. In an engagement with some Germans, Thinnes plane is shot down and McClure's is damaged, but able to operate short distances. Thinnes has to hop on and they kind of take short hops, towards Allied lines. Meanwhile, Bridges is an obsessed German commander, who commandeers a tank and gives chase. It gets rather over the top and the premise is ridiculously far-fetched; but, it is played straight enough to be entertaining.
There is another war movie of the same era (another tv film), called Escape of the Birdmen (or just the Birdmen, or Colditz: Escape of the Birdmen, depending on the distribution source). It's another with McClure. he is an OSS agent, trying to get a Norwegian nuclear scientist out of Nazi territory (played by Rene Auberjenois, of Benson and Deep Space Nine), but they are captured and held in Colditz (under assumed identities). Chuck Connors is one of the prisoners there. They concoct an escape plan by building a glider, in secret, using the porridge they are served to starch cloth, for the wings. Max Baer Jr (Jethro, on Beverly Hillbillies) is also one of the prisoners. It is beyond ridiculous; but, it is pretty fun. You can pretty much say that about any Doug McClure movie, tv or motion picture, including The Land That Time Forgot and At The Earth's Core.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 27, 2023 12:48:44 GMT -5
There is another war movie of the same era (another tv film), called Escape of the Birdmen (or just the Birdmen, or Colditz: Escape of the Birdmen, depending on the distribution source). It's another with McClure. he is an OSS agent, trying to get a Norwegian nuclear scientist out of Nazi territory (played by Rene Auberjenois, of Benson and Deep Space Nine), but they are captured and held in Colditz (under assumed identities). Chuck Connors is one of the prisoners there. They concoct an escape plan by building a glider, in secret, using the porridge they are served to starch cloth, for the wings. Max Baer Jr (Jethro, on Beverly Hillbillies) is also one of the prisoners. It is beyond ridiculous; but, it is pretty fun. You can pretty much say that about any Doug McClure movie, tv or motion picture, including The Land That Time Forgot and At The Earth's Core. Except that it's not. Colditz was a POW camp reserved, like Stalag Luft III, for persistent escapers, but even so, over 30 prisoners made it out and were not recaptured. The story of the two prisoners who were able to construct a glide that they were going to try to use to escape is here: www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/naziprison/glid_building.htmlNo Norwegian scientists, etcetera, but they still were able to build it and hide it and only the liberation of Colditz in, IIRC, April of 1945 kept them from giving it a shot.
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 27, 2023 13:30:04 GMT -5
I do think seeing Killdozer, in context, in the early 70s is a different experience than watching it now. It was a Movie of the Week, when ABC was producing a lot of those, including several horror and sci-fi themed ones. The two Kolchak films are around this time, the Six Million Dollar Man original movie (there were 3, before the series, so I hesitate to call the first a "pilot"), Bad Ronald, Earth 2 (about a space station, which is a sovereign state) and Richard Matheson's Trilogy of Terror. None of them had much in the way of budgets; but, they put some effort in the writing and the casting and, for the period, they were pretty good tv viewing. They were something different, especially if you were a kid and a genre fan. I wasn't into horror; but, Killdozer is sci-fi enough for me. Yeah, in hindsight, it's pretty cheesy; but, if you watch some of the dramas of the era, it isn't much cheesier than they are, other than the fact the plot revolves around a bulldozer trying to mow people down, rather than the Waltons trying to earn enough money to fix the truck or similar things. Yet Killdozer seems like a work of genuine creativity when compared to something like Rubber, about a sentient, killer car tire
or what about Death Bed: The Bed That Eats?
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Post by mikelmidnight on Feb 27, 2023 13:37:58 GMT -5
It was racist, sexist and bigoted, as was the entire backlash against Disco. There was an aspect to the backlash that was more concerned with the apparent vapidity of the music and the kitschy and equally vapid nature of the culture that grew around it (which had some merit), but yes, racism and homophobia were definitely a big part of it for many.
I was punk-tangential in the 80s, and loathed disco, but living in a whitebread area ... not only did I not associate disco-hatred with racism and homophobia, but I associated disco itself with the Saturday Night Fever ... the whitest and straightest of whitness and straightness. At the time, mind you, I was listening to George Clinton and the Sugarhill Gang, and if anything I thought of disco as being the opposite of them!
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Post by MDG on Feb 27, 2023 14:12:08 GMT -5
There was an aspect to the backlash that was more concerned with the apparent vapidity of the music and the kitschy and equally vapid nature of the culture that grew around it (which had some merit), but yes, racism and homophobia were definitely a big part of it for many.
I was punk-tangential in the 80s, and loathed disco, but living in a whitebread area ... not only did I not associate disco-hatred with racism and homophobia, but I associated disco itself with the Saturday Night Fever ... the whitest and straightest of whitness and straightness. At the time, mind you, I was listening to George Clinton and the Sugarhill Gang, and if anything I thought of disco as being the opposite of them! That was my experience--at the time in high school, I was listening a lot of blues based rock and working back through Humble Pie and the Stones to Son House (I'd hit college before really getting into Charlie Patton). The first time I saw a "Disco Sucks" t-shirt was at a Climax Blues Band concert, where they were supported by Montrose and Styx (who was all but booed off the stage, 'cause "prog-rock").
Truth be told, as an Italian-American, I generally associated disco with "Guidos."
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Post by dbutler69 on Feb 27, 2023 19:29:19 GMT -5
Hey, @jaska, I love that avatar! I have that comic! One of my most treasured possessions.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2023 19:53:38 GMT -5
Hey, @jaska, I love that avatar! I have that comic! One of my most treasured possessions. Thank you my Legion friend!
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Post by codystarbuck on Feb 27, 2023 22:41:04 GMT -5
There is another war movie of the same era (another tv film), called Escape of the Birdmen (or just the Birdmen, or Colditz: Escape of the Birdmen, depending on the distribution source). It's another with McClure. he is an OSS agent, trying to get a Norwegian nuclear scientist out of Nazi territory (played by Rene Auberjenois, of Benson and Deep Space Nine), but they are captured and held in Colditz (under assumed identities). Chuck Connors is one of the prisoners there. They concoct an escape plan by building a glider, in secret, using the porridge they are served to starch cloth, for the wings. Max Baer Jr (Jethro, on Beverly Hillbillies) is also one of the prisoners. It is beyond ridiculous; but, it is pretty fun. You can pretty much say that about any Doug McClure movie, tv or motion picture, including The Land That Time Forgot and At The Earth's Core. Except that it's not. Colditz was a POW camp reserved, like Stalag Luft III, for persistent escapers, but even so, over 30 prisoners made it out and were not recaptured. The story of the two prisoners who were able to construct a glide that they were going to try to use to escape is here: www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/naziprison/glid_building.htmlNo Norwegian scientists, etcetera, but they still were able to build it and hide it and only the liberation of Colditz in, IIRC, April of 1945 kept them from giving it a shot. I know of the origin of the story; but, the tv movie went a bit goofy with it. I always laugh at the scene of the German mess sergeant who is stunned by everyone suddenly getting bowls of porridge at breakfast, when they wouldn't touch it before (though given prisoner rations in that era, no one was turning down food, no matter how bad). Adding to the ridiculousness is a blind commando, who was part of a team inserted to try to get the scientist out, but were compromised and ambushed, who helps confirm their identity and the importance of getting him out, over the other prisoners. Also, McClure is a big old hambone, in anything (part of his charm, for me) and when you add The Rifleman and Jethro Bodine (not to mention Clayton Endicott), ridiculous is the only word that fits. It's funny how many of those Movies of the Week I still recall, even when I only saw them once. I had vivid memories of Earth 2 and I only saw the opening 15-20 minutes originally. When I first encountered the Warner Archive and saw it and read the plot, I recognized it (I didn't recall the name) and immediately ordered it (and several others). Bad Ronald I remember just the promos for it, as it creeped me out enough to deliberately not watch it. There was Outrage, with Robert Culp, as a vet, whose family is being harassed by teenagers who are out of control and he finally snaps, after they kill his dog and injure his housekeeper and goes after the homes of each of them (based somewhat on a true story). There was The Loneliest Runner, with Lance Kerwin, as a kid who has a stress incontinence problem and is humiliated by his mother, which leads to him running off and spending the night locked inside a department store. It was produced by Michael Landon, based loosely on his personal experiences with the issue, due to his mother's suicidal depression. There was Brian's Song, with James Caan as Brian Piccolo and Billy Dee Williams as Gayle Sayers. Duel, with Dennis Weaver. Sweet Hostage, with Martin Sheen and Linda Blair. men of the Dragon, with Robert Ito and Jared Martin (and Joseph Wiseman as the villain). Family Flight, with Rod Taylor, when a family has to make an emergency landing, in the Mexican desert, in their small private plane and then try to repair it and get out of there. Getting Away From it All, with Larry hagman, about a group of city friends who move out to a small island community, in New England. Trapped, where James Brolin is mugged and knocked unconscious, to awaken at night, locked inside a department store, patrolled by Dobermans. babe, with Suzanne Clarke as Babe Diedrickson Zaharias and husband Alex Karras as George Zaharias, Babe's pro wrestler husband. I Will Fight No More Forever, with Ned Romero as Chief Joseph, of the Nez Perce. The Boy In The Plastic Bubble, with John Travolta, as a young man with an immunal disorder (and Robert Reed, as his father). Dawn, Portrait of a Teenage Runaway, with Eve Plumb. 21 Hours at Munich, about the Munich Massacre, with original ABC Sports footage, from the siege. The two Entebbe movies, Victory At Entebbe (ABC, broadcast in video, but shot as video and film and released elsewhere on film) and Raid on Entebbe (NBC, shot on film) both with notable casts (Victory has Kirk Douglas, Richard Dreyfuss, Burt Lancaster, Helen Hayes and Elizabeth Taylor and Raid has Charles Bronson, James Woods, Yaphet Kotto, Peter Finch, Martin Balsam, Robert Loggia, Eddie Constantine and Horst Bucholz) and relate the story, from the departure of the Air France plane from Athens, to their diversion to Uganda and subsequent period as hostages and the spectacular rescue by the Israeli military. Victory has Dreyfuss as Yonathan Netanyahu (brother of the Israeli Prime Minister), the lone military casualty, while Raid has Stephan Merchant. Then, there were the pilot movies, for various tv series and there were a bunch of those.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 0:04:10 GMT -5
Had one of those wow now I feel old/where did the time go moments today...
As many know I am a huge Joe Kubert fan. He is a legend and seemed to have been a part of comics almost as long as there were comics. Part of the old guard for sure. But I have always thought of his sons Adam and Andy as the young turks of the industry. The young guns just coming on the scene so to speak. Today was Andy Kubert's 61st birthday. Where has the time gone? One of my perceptions of reality has been shattered. I don't know why it struck me so, it just did.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 0:07:16 GMT -5
On a related note, Norm Breyfogle would have been 63 today.
Gone way too young.
-M
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