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Post by rberman on Dec 2, 2018 19:09:06 GMT -5
If I remember this right, there was an Earth Prime mentioned in DC comics which was our (the readers) world, with no superheroes. Marvel did something once where they made a few comics titled Marvels Comics which were supposed to have been the comics that would be on newsstands within the Marvel 'universe' and it had Thor being high-tech because people on his Earth didn't imagine he could actually be the Norse god, Spider-Man was a monster, as the X-Men were, and the Fantastic Four comic was officially authorized by the four members. Even the early issues of FF depicted them authorizing Marvel Comics about themselves. One issue's plot revolved around Dr. Doom luring Reed Richards to the Marvel Comics office.   But the rest of what you are describing is the Ultimates universe. I may review some of those in the near future. |
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Post by berkley on Dec 2, 2018 20:00:39 GMT -5
I really wish Marvel would let the Eternals be in their own, superhero-less, universe. Now that would be a useful function for the multiverse.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 20:16:01 GMT -5
I really wish Marvel would let the Eternals be in their own, superhero-less, universe. Now that would be a useful function for the multiverse. I agree. I always thought the X-Men would work better in their own universe. Why are they so feared yet others like the Avengers and the Fantastic Four are highly respected? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2018 20:21:49 GMT -5
Good point, Michael.
I feel the same way about the Punisher. It doesn't quite feel right that he is part of the mainstream Marvel Universe. Yes, it does mean there are occasional fun match-ups like Punisher VS Doom or Punisher VS Rhino, but if the Punisher could have his own superhero-free universe, I'd be happier.
Where did The 'Nam fit into Marvel continuity?
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 2, 2018 20:39:38 GMT -5
During Matt Fraction's run on Uncanny X-Men, he used a character, Dr. Yuriko Takiguchi, who, at that point, had only ever appeared in the Godzilla book. That seems to imply the Godzilla stories are canon, even if they are never directly referenced.
Well sure, they have to be canon! Godzille meet Devil Dinosaur, who met Boom Boom, Sunspot, and Warlock from X-Men comics. Except I guess that Moon Boy is Moon Girl in the latest reboot. Moon Boy and Moon Girl are (very!) different characters... but I believe it's the same Devil Dinosaur interacting with both! |
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Post by chadwilliam on Dec 2, 2018 21:37:58 GMT -5
Though I'm an outsider to modern comics, I get the impression that multiple Earths (at least as far as DC is concerned) have led to an attitude that a company can have multiple stabs at getting their characters and timelines right. Instead of "We're only going to get one shot at this so let's not screw it up" it, it feels as though there's a sense of "eh, let this writer take a stab at coming up with a new Superman origin and if it works, great; if not, we'll just try again in a few years when we introduce our latest model". Am I wrong in believing that the time between DC's reboots have been getting shorter and shorter in recent years? It feels so disposable. Spawn has a greater history dating as it does back to 1992 than Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, etc. do what with their current model going as far back to, what? Five years ago or so? That's about how long a fad lasts before it's replaced, right?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 2, 2018 22:21:10 GMT -5
Was it change rather than illusion of change, though? Secret Wars was Marvel flipping the bird to continuity IMO.... it's basically an out for anything that gets changed and doesn't make sense.. now they can just say 'it changed when Franklin Richards put everything back together'. Not that Marvel had been caring about continuity the last several years anyway, but now they have an excuse.  |
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Post by zaku on Dec 3, 2018 5:07:58 GMT -5
Good point, Michael. I feel the same way about the Punisher. It doesn't quite feel right that he is part of the mainstream Marvel Universe. Yes, it does mean there are occasional fun match-ups like Punisher VS Doom or Punisher VS Rhino, but if the Punisher could have his own superhero-free universe, I'd be happier. There was the Punisher MAX series for this. Where did The 'Nam fit into Marvel continuity? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 5:45:44 GMT -5
Earth-85101, eh? Thanks. Wonder who comes up with these designations?
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Post by rberman on Dec 3, 2018 5:54:57 GMT -5
Earth-85101, eh? Thanks. Wonder who comes up with these designations? They are based on the date of the first publication of a story in that world. 616 means June 1961. 85101 means October 1985. Etc. |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Dec 3, 2018 6:04:24 GMT -5
Earth-85101, eh? Thanks. Wonder who comes up with these designations? They are based on the date of the first publication of a story in that world. 616 means June 1961. 85101 means October 1985. Etc. But 616 wasn't first published in June 1961. FF #1 was cover dated Niovember 1961 and went on sale in August 1961, and the Marvel Universe later incorporated characters and continuity from the Golden Age. The 'Nam #1 was cover dated December 1986 and went on sale in September 1986. |
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Post by chaykinstevens on Dec 3, 2018 6:08:18 GMT -5
Good point, Michael. I feel the same way about the Punisher. It doesn't quite feel right that he is part of the mainstream Marvel Universe. Yes, it does mean there are occasional fun match-ups like Punisher VS Doom or Punisher VS Rhino, but if the Punisher could have his own superhero-free universe, I'd be happier. Where did The 'Nam fit into Marvel continuity? As originally written as a projected 8 year limited series by Doug Murray, the Nam was set in the real world. After Murray had left, some issues were published featuring Frank Castle, which the Marvel Chronology Project considers part of 616 continuity. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 6:13:39 GMT -5
List of DC Comics Multiple Earths located in this here and I was shocked by the sheer madness of this. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2018 9:10:45 GMT -5
Slam_Bradley, a perfect example of a Multiverse Event is DC Comics ZERO HOUR and that's at that time; I've never heard of Waverider, Rip Hunter, Monarch who later became Extant, and did not had a clue of where they came from. It was kind of confusing at first and a whole flock of heroes and villains that came on board to assist Superman by using Green Lantern's power ring as a call for help. I had to take a crash course to understand the characters in (see above) bold to fully understand this multiverse event and all that. With that alone, it's made my enjoyment of this event more and more difficult and that why I don't like this six-part series at all. For the characters in bold, this is the first time in my life that these characters came into play; and my first exposure to Rip Hunter and that's surprises a lot of my friends at the LCS at the time of this event/multiverse came to existence. That's why I prefer these events to be small in scope and not having 40-60 characters on hand to numb and make you bewildered and compound you with mind numbness realities. This is the best way, to tell everyone here why I don't care for multiverses of any kind at all.
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Post by zaku on Dec 3, 2018 9:23:34 GMT -5
Slam_Bradley , a perfect example of a Multiverse Event is DC Comics ZERO HOUR and that's at that time; I've never heard of Waverider, Rip Hunter, Monarch who later became Extant, and did not had a clue of where they came from. It was kind of confusing at first and a whole flock of heroes and villains that came on board to assist Superman by using Green Lantern's power ring as a call for help. If I remember it correctly it wasn't about a Multiverse but about alternate timelines... Checking... From DC WIKIA{Rebooted timeline}  |
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