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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 16, 2019 6:07:23 GMT -5
Art is the driving force in comic books and many people will buy a book for the artwork at the expense of a good story. But there have been times where the comic was SO good that you buy it in spite of the artwork. Which comics feature bad or terrible artwork but you really liked it anyway ?
I nominate the Avengers run written by Jim Shooter which chronicled the fall of Hank Pym. It had many artists during the 21 issue arc , but it was started by Bob Hall. Hall infamous for drawing the " punch heard around the world" from Hank was really raw at the time. He got better in his Valiant stuff years later, but it was awful to look at.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 16, 2019 7:44:52 GMT -5
Bob Hall wasn't so bad. As one of the few graduates of John Buscema's short-lived comic art classes, he had a firm grasp of Marvel-style sequential storytelling. The problem with that Avengers run was attributable to his following Shooter's constipated layouts (much as Dave Wenzel was hamstrung by them for the conclusion of the Korvac storyline earlier). I quite liked his issues of Super-Villain Team-Up, especially because he is the only penciller to model his Dr. Doom after the Gene Colan version rather than Kirby's. Hall was certainly better than Don Perlin, whose stiff, ugly art drove first Werewolf By Night then The Defenders straight into their graves.
Cei-U! The defense rests!
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Post by badwolf on Jul 16, 2019 9:05:27 GMT -5
The first thing that comes to mind is Incredible Hulk Annual #9. Great story by the always reliable Doug Moench, with typically terrible art from Steve Ditko. While it doesn't look as bad as some of his other work around that time (maybe due to Al Milgrom's inks), it's not good either.
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 16, 2019 10:03:57 GMT -5
One man's terrible is another man's awesome.
Love me some Ditko; it looks dated, but I still love Ditko's stuff, much the same way I feel about Kirby as well.
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 16, 2019 10:31:01 GMT -5
Bob Hall wasn't so bad. As one of the few graduates of John Buscema's short-lived comic art classes, he had a firm grasp of Marvel-style sequential storytelling. The problem with that Avengers run was attributable to his following Shooter's constipated layouts (much as Dave Wenzel was hamstrung by them for the conclusion of the Korvac storyline earlier). I quite liked his issues of Super-Villain Team-Up, especially because he is the only penciller to model his Dr. Doom after the Gene Colan version rather than Kirby's. Hall was certainly better than Don Perlin, whose stiff, ugly art drove first Werewolf By Night then The Defenders straight into their graves.Cei-U! The defense rests!
You may not be a Don Perlin fan, but Perlin driving WBN and the Defenders "straight into their graves" is questionable.
While he was the artist on the last published issue of each of those titles, I wouldn't say it was his fault for the titles ending.
Defenders ran up to issue # 152, and starting with # 65, Perlin penciled 63 issues in the title's run, more than any other artist on the title. If Marvel didn't like what he was doing he would've been pulled from the title.
As for Werewolf By Night, it ran an amazing 43 issues and 4 Giant Size issues as well. Perlin came on with # 17 and penciled up to and including # 43 and 2 of those 4 Giant Size issues as well. Again, I don't think the demise of this title was directly related to Perlin.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 11:11:04 GMT -5
Art is the driving force in comic books and many people will buy a book for the artwork at the expense of a good story. But there have been times where the comic was SO good that you buy it in spite of the artwork. Which comics feature bad or terrible artwork but you really liked it anyway ? Can I be the boring one and say I don't feel I can buy/continue buying a book when the art isn't appealing - no matter if the story is good. I can do the reverse: Frank Miller's All-Star Batman did not appeal to me. I gave it about five issues - when DC could be bothered to put out this so-called bi-monthly title - but gave up. Jim Lee's art is beautiful. I didn't like the story. Actually, to be fair to the premise of your question, I am a Judge Dredd fan. There will have been Dredd artists I don't find appealing, but the character and his world is compelling, so I do stick with it.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 16, 2019 11:33:50 GMT -5
The first thing that comes to mind is Incredible Hulk Annual #9. Great story by the always reliable Doug Moench, with typically terrible art from Steve Ditko. While it doesn't look as bad as some of his other work around that time (maybe due to Al Milgrom's inks), it's not good either. Speaking of Ditko around that time, he did some Legion of Super-Heroes right around that time (#257, 267-267, 272, 274, 276, 281) and Micronauts Annuals 1 & 2, that I enjoyed in spite of the artwork.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 16, 2019 11:34:55 GMT -5
Well, even the most generic late '70s-early '80s is preferable for me over the overly-cross-hatched giant thighs and wee heads look of a bit later. I do understand about Bob Hall, Don Perlin or even Steve Ditko (at times) being disappointing. I love Ditko Hulk myself (and Machine Man) so would want those issues specifically because of the art, but not so much on some of the other comics of that time (Daredevil, Micronauts, Captain Universe).
The New Defenders was something I kept buying for the writing but not the art (except for the often incredible covers by various artists), although Kim DeMulder as inker helped... also Sal Buscema Rom and Hulk, and She-Hulk and Dazzler for a long time which were solid but bare bones. Remember those Michael Golden Rom and She-Hulk covers? Bill Sienkiwicz Dazzler covers? It helped to pair above average cover art with average interiors in my opinion... also got me through those Chaykin layout issues of Micronauts before Pat Broderick. Spider-Woman by Jim Mooney kept me just long enough to still be there for the great run by Claremont with Leialoha pencilling (and sometimes inking as well).
My pick would be the Herb Trimpe issues of War Of the Worlds in the early '70s written by Don McGregor. The art wasn't the reason I have them at all, though I have seen some Trimpe art from earlier and later that I did like a lot.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 16, 2019 11:53:42 GMT -5
Anything's better than that 90s style! I actually find Ditko nostalgic at this point; for better or worse it was a part of my childhood and when I see it it "takes me back." I kept collecting Rom after Sal left because I was devoted to the character, although it lost steam after the Wraith war ended. I liked Bob Hall, and Perlin was ok. It's pretty clear that Defenders was killed to open a slot for X-Factor.
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 16, 2019 12:27:42 GMT -5
If its okay to do this, I will add a "bad art" run: The Invaders (1975-1979); BIG fan of the love and creative highs Roy Thomas achieved with his retconned Golden Age stories in general, but the artwork of Frank Robbins (issues #1 - #28) left much to be desired (I went into that at length in another thread). The Invaders was the textbook example of an interesting, important series (in the continued building of the Marvel Universe's past) with occasionally great covers, but those covers turned out to hook readers into buying something with interiors that never held up their end of the artistic obligation.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 16, 2019 12:44:05 GMT -5
Frank Robbins' style was 'noisy'... I like his old Johnny Hazard comics better than those Invaders and the one Daredevil I have he filled in on (though it suited the story well as Daredevil's senses were wonky).
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 16, 2019 12:48:45 GMT -5
I liked the Bob Hall stuff in Avengers as well as the couple of issues of his work in Thor that I've seen.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 16, 2019 12:49:44 GMT -5
If its okay to do this, I will add a "bad art" run: The Invaders (1975-1979); BIG fan of the love and creative highs Roy Thomas achieved with his retconned Golden Age stories in general, but the artwork of Frank Robbins (issues #1 - #28) left much to be desired (I went into that at length in another thread). The Invaders was the textbook example of an interesting, important series (in the continued building of the Marvel Universe's past) with occasionally great covers, but those covers turned out to hook readers into buying something with interiors that never held up their end of the artistic obligation. Oh good call! I loved the Roy Thomas writing and hated the Frank Robbins art!
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 16, 2019 13:39:45 GMT -5
Loved Frank Robbins art and felt it fitted the time period more than anyone else who worked on the series. It was at its best with Frank Springer inking, though. Robbins' stuff looked like the Golden Age, it felt like the 1940s. His rubbery figures and cartoony style made the action flow and added a visual excitement, in my opinion.
You want to throw out bad art: Chuck Beckum/Austen, on Miracleman. Man that was a horrid mess, picking up where Alan Davis had left off. Thankfully, Eclipse agreed and he only did the one issue and an ad. What I saw of Austen's later art wasn't much of an improvement.
For really bad art, look at Now Comics' Speed Racer book. When the movie came out, whoever had the rights republished it in trades and I had seen better amateur art in fanzines. It was terrible. It made some of the Malibu stuff look like Tower.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 16, 2019 13:44:37 GMT -5
So... um... I kinda like the Rob Liefeld Captain America.
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