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Post by shaxper on Aug 15, 2019 10:16:03 GMT -5
Update on the Sunday Amazon theft. Yesterday my next door neighbor found the 2 books along the side of his house next to his camping trailer. Evidently the thief(s) were pissed off because they were books and tossed them aside as worthless. I'm at least thankful that you have a neighbor showing some level of interest in your plight. Vigilant neighbors are your best allies right now. And don't forget to get back to me over pm. I'd love to set up a way for the community to help you through this ordeal. |
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Post by brutalis on Aug 15, 2019 11:09:46 GMT -5
The neighbor I referred to is the sole original home owner in the area and was here before I ever moved in. We have always watched out for each other and I have watched his home while they vacation and they would watch over mine. I teased him that he didn't do his job properly this time around and I want my security deposit back  And I don't blame him as nothing will stop thieves when they are determined to rip you off. Nobody can watch anything (let alone their own home) 24 hours a day unless you never leave the house. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 15, 2019 13:43:04 GMT -5
(...) Nobody can watch anything (let alone their own home) 24 hours a day unless you never leave the house. Sorry, but this brought a smile to my face because it made me think of this meme: Funny because it's kind of true - here in Croatia you often see that 'granny surveillance system' in action in many neighborhoods.
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 15, 2019 14:11:18 GMT -5
If the whole 'porch pirates' thing gets bad enough you think it might even effect the economy. It's definitely going on in every place I've been, and more people are signing up to have parcels held at the Post Office or branch thereof if not rent a box for all mail. I think those old time mail boxes at the curb with a little flag to move up and down are going to become a thing of the past.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 19:59:57 GMT -5
If the whole 'porch pirates' thing gets bad enough you think it might even effect the economy. It's definitely going on in every place I've been, and more people are signing up to have parcels held at the Post Office or branch thereof if not rent a box for all mail. I think those old time mail boxes at the curb with a little flag to move up and down are going to become a thing of the past. I did that 3 years ago ... pays big dividends for me. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 15, 2019 22:02:53 GMT -5
(...) Nobody can watch anything (let alone their own home) 24 hours a day unless you never leave the house. Sorry, but this brought a smile to my face because it made me think of this meme: Funny because it's kind of true - here in Croatia you often see that 'granny surveillance system' in action in many neighborhoods.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 15, 2019 22:15:24 GMT -5
If the whole 'porch pirates' thing gets bad enough you think it might even effect the economy. It's definitely going on in every place I've been, and more people are signing up to have parcels held at the Post Office or branch thereof if not rent a box for all mail. I think those old time mail boxes at the curb with a little flag to move up and down are going to become a thing of the past. I usually place the parcels in a location that is not on the porch or front of the house. I was taught to deliver but also protect the mail. It doesn't hurt to tap the doorbell when you leave a parcel also. Generally a thief will take a package that's an easy score Ex: on the front porch, but will avoid going to the back of your home or property . There's more risk involved the further you go on someones premises. Of course, if you're delivering to a crappy neighborhood, I just leave a notice for them to pick up at the Office. |
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Post by brutalis on Aug 16, 2019 8:20:29 GMT -5
If the whole 'porch pirates' thing gets bad enough you think it might even effect the economy. It's definitely going on in every place I've been, and more people are signing up to have parcels held at the Post Office or branch thereof if not rent a box for all mail. I think those old time mail boxes at the curb with a little flag to move up and down are going to become a thing of the past. I usually place the parcels in a location that is not on the porch or front of the house. I was taught to deliver but also protect the mail. It doesn't hurt to tap the doorbell when you leave a parcel also. Generally a thief will take a package that's an easy score Ex: on the front porch, but will avoid going to the back of your home or property . There's more risk involved the further you go on someones premises. Of course, if you're delivering to a crappy neighborhood, I just leave a notice for them to pick up at the Office. Sadly my area is part of a training route so it seems every few months a new postal delivery person is seen. Sometimes they are good about placing packages over the gate into my back but most all will leave it on the front porch. Which is why I have an empty detergent bucket for them to leave items in. That way you don't see packages left by the door and this has worked for many years for me. In this instance I personally believe it was the same thief(s) that hit my place the week before and they were coming around to see if anyone was back home yet and if the place was ripe for hitting again. Tearing open the packaging and taking the items and leaving the packaging back in the bucket was just to "slap" me in the face and let me know they are still around and watching and waiting... |
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 16, 2019 13:26:10 GMT -5
I seem to have different postal carriers a lot, been that way for the last few years. Before that had the regular guy leave things in an obscured area by the basement door. Found a street person there once however one morning which is weird, he had a bag of soda pop cans and was ranting at us about them being payment and left without them saying he didn't want them. So that kind of put me off that plan. In Seattle the communal boxes in our old building were all mostly openable by anyone, like lockers in junior high school would be wrecked from closing properly. The maintenance man told me they had just given up on replacing or fixing them, and that was about fifteen years ago now, although we were near the wrong side of downtown, maybe considered a bad area. There's a recent story about comic thieves in Missouri who got caught trying to sell the comics to the owner who runs a shop... www.ibtimes.com/thieves-steal-3000-comic-books-try-sell-them-back-original-owner-2813432 |
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Post by rom on Aug 17, 2019 7:21:08 GMT -5
brutalis, very sorry that this happened to you & that it's continuing to happen. I myself can relate to some extent: Almost 20 years ago, I came home from work to my then-newly purchased house and found the back door open; some scum-bags had broken in & stolen all my electronics, my music CD's, etc. There was definitely a strong sense of violation, and I don't mind admitting that for a long time afterwards I had problems sleeping, etc. In your case, it sounds like these scum-bag thieves somehow knew about your possessions; not sure how, but I don't know why else they would keep coming back. Getting an alarm system for your home is a great idea. It won't completely eliminate the possibility of thieves breaking in, but is a definite deterrent. I take a very conservative view when it comes to crime, and as far as I'm concerned - anyone that steals your property (whether it's in your home, on your person, or your car, etc.) is a piece of garbage who you should legally be able to take out. Hell, in some countries they used to (and maybe still do) cut the hands off of thieves - sounds great to me. The problem is that the laws in most countries are written by spineless pu$$#%$, and these laws favor the criminal instead of the victim. So, you - as the victim - will probably get in trouble if you retaliate against thieves (in most states). That being said, I was happy to read this recent news story from Chicago. Some little punk tried to rob the wrong person; and, the other punks with him are being punished. Hopefully the would-be-victim in this case will not be punished - since he was just defending himself & his property from these pieces of human excrement: www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-lake-county-gurnee-homicide-chase-chicago-4-arrested-20190813-vic4fzjmwbf43n2r23bjapjine-story.html
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 17, 2019 8:30:52 GMT -5
Nice story , Rom. Man, the 75 year old was a good shot. Yeah , those 5 were up to no good. I believe you should be able to shoot someone entering your home with bad intentions.
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 17, 2019 8:47:12 GMT -5
brutalis, very sorry that this happened to you & that it's continuing to happen. I myself can relate to some extent: Almost 20 years ago, I came home from work to my then-newly purchased house and found the back door open; some scum-bags had broken in & stolen all my electronics, my music CD's, etc. There was definitely a strong sense of violation, and I don't mind admitting that for a long time afterwards I had problems sleeping, etc. In your case, it sounds like these scum-bag thieves somehow knew about your possessions; not sure how, but I don't know why else they would keep coming back. Getting an alarm system for your home is a great idea. It won't completely eliminate the possibility of thieves breaking in, but is a definite deterrent. I take a very conservative view when it comes to crime, and as far as I'm concerned - anyone that steals your property (whether it's in your home, on your person, or your car, etc.) is a piece of garbage who you should legally be able to take out. Hell, in some countries they used to (and maybe still do) cut the hands off of thieves - sounds great to me.
The problem is that the laws in most countries are written by spineless pu$$#%$, and these laws favor the criminal instead of the victim. So, you - as the victim - will probably get in trouble if you retaliate against thieves (in most states).
That being said, I was happy to read this recent news story from Chicago. Some little punk tried to rob the wrong person; and, the other punks with him are being punished. Hopefully the would-be-victim in this case will not be punished - since he was just defending himself & his property from these pieces of human excrement: www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-lake-county-gurnee-homicide-chase-chicago-4-arrested-20190813-vic4fzjmwbf43n2r23bjapjine-story.html You might enjoy living in North Korea. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Aug 17, 2019 12:15:16 GMT -5
Er, I guess I'd fall well short of wanting Judge Dredd on patrol. A lot of stuff is down to a relatively small number of hard drug addicts and people who used to be institutionalized. Somewhere in the middle of lock-em-up-throw-away-the-key and the revolving courthouse door must be an answer. Anyway, far short of death penalties, but sometimes you could swear criminals are writing the laws... there are people who can possibly be helped, and then there are those just not going to happen people they need to distinguish for what they are, which was something of the intent of the way too simplistic three strikes law... oh well, this is getting a bit political I suspect.
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Post by Phil Maurice on Aug 17, 2019 12:26:00 GMT -5
I take a very conservative view when it comes to crime, and as far as I'm concerned - anyone that steals your property (whether it's in your home, on your person, or your car, etc.) is a piece of garbage who you should legally be able to take out. Hell, in some countries they used to (and maybe still do) cut the hands off of thieves - sounds great to me.
The problem is that the laws in most countries are written by spineless pu$$#%$, and these laws favor the criminal instead of the victim. So, you - as the victim - will probably get in trouble if you retaliate against thieves (in most states). You might enjoy living in North Korea. Tough, but fair.  In general, crime is an economic phenomenon. Almost no one aspires to be a petty criminal, and even thieves dislike being robbed. People resort to crime as a response to poverty, lack of education and lack of opportunity. That's why our pledge to "promote the general welfare" is so vitally important to the stability of our society. A strong social safety net and humane government policies are normally more effective at reducing crime than harsher punishments and longer sentences because those "tough on crime" propositions fail to address the underlying causes. Unfortunately, many in power reject these types of solutions since they don't generate revenue the way the prison system does, and because terrifying people with tales of roving criminal gangs has been sweeping people into office since time immemorial. |
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Post by Confessor on Aug 18, 2019 23:58:37 GMT -5
OK, folks. We're getting off track here -- this is a thread about the awful things that have been happening to brutalis, it's not the politics thread. A discussion about crime and punishment is not really required, especially when it skirts the rules on personal attacks. It's all getting a little heated and I've deleted two posts that were off topic and/or over the line as far as the forum rules go.
So, let's keep it on topic people, and not get into debating law and the U.S. judicial system.
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And I don't blame him as nothing will stop thieves when they are determined to rip you off. Nobody can watch anything (let alone their own home) 24 hours a day unless you never leave the house.
