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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 22:08:57 GMT -5
Sweet Christmas, Luke Cage made #39 on my list!
Colossus, I like Colossus but he didn't make top 50 for me. Only 2 X-characters who didn't have Bronze Age ties to the Avengers made my top 50.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 23:26:12 GMT -5
Sweet Christmas, Luke Cage made #39 on my list! Colossus, I like Colossus but he didn't make top 50 for me. Only 2 X-characters who didn't have Bronze Age ties to the Avengers made my top 50. -M Not, #39, but #29 ... up 10 notches! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2014 23:29:09 GMT -5
Number 29 - Power Man - Luke Cage I would have reversed it to "Luke Cage, Power Man," but other than that I have no criticisms. Hyper-masculine, a hero who exults in his abilities, many of which were apparent in his character well before Dr. Burstein's prison experiments. A hero with his mind on his money (honey) and his money on his mind. Christmas, what a great pick!  |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 18, 2014 3:09:16 GMT -5
I for one salute Doctor Fate's inclusion of the Alpha Flight characters. I'm always baffled when people seem to think they're mediocre since I feel they're superior to some of the more overrated heroes out there. I can only assume that this is because said people haven't actually read Byrne's run or there is simply a bias against harry Canadians. The main reason I don't like them is I did read Byrne's run, it's the only run of Alpha Flight I read and aside from the Asgardian Wars X-Men story, the only Alpha Flight I cared to check out. It was flat, uninteresting and the characters did nothing to pique my interest and a lot of that falls on Byrne's shoulders. And since I am of Canadian descent and quite hairy, I don't have a bias against that aspect either. Medocre is about the best I would say about Byrne's run and that would be be me being generous. -M Aww, come on. Alpha Flight is clearly one of Byrne's best runs. It's him at his peak before he lost the mojo. Of course youre entitled to your taste, but I'd suggest giving in one more try. I love the New X-Men introduced in 1975...but are they "objectively" more interesting, or at least have more potential, than Alpha Flight? I men Northstar and Aurora are twins, ones the first gay superhero, and the other has a split personality. That was something new. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 3:33:57 GMT -5
Number 28 - Iron Fist Alter Ego - Daniel "Danny" Rand Team Affiliations - New Avengers, The Defenders, and Hero for Hire. Created by - Roy Thomas Illustrated by - Gil Kane Abilities The Iron Fist, a concentration of his chi in his fist, Healing powers, Enhanced physical attributes, Telepathic mind fusion, and a superbly master martial artist. Interesting Fact - To rescue the character from cancellation, Marvel paired Iron Fist up with another character who was no longer popular enough to sustain his own series, Luke Cage.The two were partnered up in a three-part story in Cage's series Power Man #48-50. The title of the series changed to Power Man and Iron Fist with issue #50 (April 1978), although the indicia did not reflect this change until issue #67. Iron Fist co-starred in the series until the final issue (#125, September 1986), in which he is killed off. Note: This decision by Marvel Comics made me mad when they killed him off in September 1986. Interesting Fact 2 - Great friend of Power Man Familiarity Rating - 10 Reason for Rank: When he was teamed up with Luke Cage, Power Man - this guy was the perfect partner for him and the action inside these wondrous comic book pages brought joy to me. It was action galore and that's why l love these two heroes together. Luke Cage and Iron Fist. A perfect partnership was born. I like these two much, much better than Captain America and Falcon.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 18, 2014 3:43:57 GMT -5
Just for fun, my Top 10
1. The Hulk
2. Spider-Man
3. The Thing
4. Silver Surfer
5. Doctor Strange
6. Thor
7. Captain America
8. Iron Man
9. Black Panther
10.Sub-Mariner
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 3:54:16 GMT -5
Number 27 - The Angel  Alter Ego - Warren Kenneth Worthington III Team Affiliations - X-Men, X-Force, The Defenders, Secret Defenders, and so many others it's was incredibly ridiculous to see him on so many teams. Created by - Stan Lee Illustrated by - Jack Kirby Abilities Flight, Enhanced strength, Aerial adaptation, and Peak physical attributes Interesting Fact - At first, Warren feels he is a freak, but he soon learns that he can use his wings to fly and to help people. When there is a fire in his dormitory, he borrows some props from the school's drama department, dresses up as a heavenly angel, and rescues his friends. He soon learns that he is in fact a mutant. He dons a mask and costume, calls himself the Avenging Angel, and becomes a solo adventurer, before being recruited by Professor Charles Xavier into joining the X-Men. Familiarity Rating - 10, as Archangel a big fat Zero.  One of the stupidest idea that came out of Marvel Comics and I did not care for him being Archangel at all. Reason for Rank: One of the unusual members of the X-Men and his mutant ability to have wings as the part of his body captured my imagination and therefore I was drawn to him literally and because of that I wanted to find out more about him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 4:07:05 GMT -5
The main reason I don't like them is I did read Byrne's run, it's the only run of Alpha Flight I read and aside from the Asgardian Wars X-Men story, the only Alpha Flight I cared to check out. It was flat, uninteresting and the characters did nothing to pique my interest and a lot of that falls on Byrne's shoulders. And since I am of Canadian descent and quite hairy, I don't have a bias against that aspect either. Medocre is about the best I would say about Byrne's run and that would be be me being generous. -M Aww, come on. Alpha Flight is clearly one of Byrne's best runs. It's him at his peak before he lost the mojo. Of course youre entitled to your taste, but I'd suggest giving in one more try. I love the New X-Men introduced in 1975...but are they "objectively" more interesting, or at least have more potential, than Alpha Flight? I men Northstar and Aurora are twins, ones the first gay superhero, and the other has a split personality. That was something new. I've never really felt Byrne had any mojo as a solo writer. As a co-plotter and artist, yes, as a writer/artist not really. There were a few moments in his Superman run and there were things in his Namor run that I liked, but more often than not my reaction to his plots and dialogue when he is writing solo is an eye roll and a really? exclamation before I sigh, put the book down and (if it was currently coming out) drop the book from my pull list. I am not a fan of his Alpha Flight, not a fan of his FF run really, not a fan of his She-Hulk, hated his Hulk run, utterly despise his West Coast Avengers run, etc. I like his art, and I think his partnership with Claremont brought the best out of Claremont, but as a solo act, Byrne shows he is best as a collaborator not a show runner. Different tastes and all, but yeah, not a fan of Byrne the writer at all. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 4:15:07 GMT -5
Iron Fist ranks #10 on my list. Warren doesn't make the top 50. One quibble with your analysis though-I think due to the X-Men cartoon of the 90's where the Archangel identity was more prominent, the early X-Men action figure line from Toybiz where there were 2 different Archangel figures before there was ever an Angel figure, and the fact he was absent from the X-Men for the bulk of their heydey under Claremont as the Angel (slumming with the Champions first, then the New Defenders, then finally with X-Factor where he became Archangel), he is probably more recognized by the casual fan as Archangel than Angel, if they recognize him at all. If your familiarity scale is on a 1-10 scale, 10 is way too high for Warren in any identity, and his Archangel score would be at least equal, if not higher than his Angel score. The highest demand Angel-centric issue in the back issue market right now is X-Factor 24 where he becomes Archangel. So while you may not like that identity, it is one that is more prominent in the current market than Angel.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 4:25:50 GMT -5
Just for fun, my Top 10 1. The Hulk 2. Spider-Man 3. The Thing 4. Silver Surfer 5. Doctor Strange 6. Thor 7. Captain America 8. Iron Man 9. Black Panther 10.Sub-Mariner Won't reveal my top 10 yet, will wait for Dr. Fate to reveal his, but here is the bottom half of my top 50 Marvel characters (not just heroes). I did not include any licensed characters (so no Robert E. Howard characters show up, no Micronauts, etc.) that Marvel published 50. Shanna the She-Devil 49. Elektra 48. Man-Thing 47. Moon Knight 46. Devil Dinosaur (& Moonboy) 45. Wong 44. Sif 43. The Warriors Three 42. Ghost Rider (Danny Ketch) 41. Blade 40. Hawkeye (Clint Barton) 39. Luke Cage 38. Moondragon 37. Jarvis 36. Pip the Troll 35.The Beast/Hank McCoy 34. Hank Pym 33. Janet Van Dyne/Wasp 32. Kang 31. Shuma-Gorath 30. Spider-Man 29. Namor, the Sub-Mariner 28. Valkyrie 27. Korvac 26. Dormammu -M |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Oct 18, 2014 4:57:04 GMT -5
Aww, come on. Alpha Flight is clearly one of Byrne's best runs. It's him at his peak before he lost the mojo. Of course youre entitled to your taste, but I'd suggest giving in one more try. I love the New X-Men introduced in 1975...but are they "objectively" more interesting, or at least have more potential, than Alpha Flight? I men Northstar and Aurora are twins, ones the first gay superhero, and the other has a split personality. That was something new. I've never really felt Byrne had any mojo as a solo writer. As a co-plotter and artist, yes, as a writer/artist not really. There were a few moments in his Superman run and there were things in his Namor run that I liked, but more often than not my reaction to his plots and dialogue when he is writing solo is an eye roll and a really? exclamation before I sigh, put the book down and (if it was currently coming out) drop the book from my pull list. I am not a fan of his Alpha Flight, not a fan of his FF run really, not a fan of his She-Hulk, hated his Hulk run, utterly despise his West Coast Avengers run, etc. I like his art, and I think his partnership with Claremont brought the best out of Claremont, but as a solo act, Byrne shows he is best as a collaborator not a show runner. Different tastes and all, but yeah, not a fan of Byrne the writer at all. -M I can understand that. I think Byrne is a great visual storyteller and plotter, but I'd have to agree that his dialog has never been his strong-point. That said, I liked all of his stuff until around the time of his Wonder Woman and Spider-Man runs. I disliked both. It seems beyond his capacity to write for anyone other than a 13 year old boy circa 1982, so he would be best served putting his ego aside and working with a writer. He'd probably still have a career if he did! (End Byrne derailment) |
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Post by Earth 2 Flash on Oct 18, 2014 6:31:09 GMT -5
Thank you for this Marvel countdown, Dr. Fate. I am not a Marvel fan, but I do have a Marvel favorite and that is the Falcon.   My Marvel favorites list would probably not reach 10, but these are the characters you have mentioned so far that would make my list if I were to make one: #1 The Falcon
Colossus
Ms. Marvel
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Post by The Captain on Oct 18, 2014 6:54:10 GMT -5
#30 Colossus - The big Russian with the organic steel body and giant heart came in at #47 on my list. His sacrifice to save mutantkind from the Legacy Virus is his defining moment, while his resurrection at the pen of Joss Whedon was a true "is this really happening" moment.
#29 Luke Cage - We're close on this one, as Mr. Cage makes my list at #23. A C-List character for years, his profile has jumped considerably in the past decade with his association with the Avengers. Plus, anyone who can ask Dr. Doom "Where's my money, honey?" deserves mad respect.
#28 Iron Fist - Even closer than our spot for Iron Fist's long-time partner, I have Danny Rand at #27 on my list. While he's never quite had the high-profile that Luke has achieved, Iron Fist is a mainstay of the MU.
#27 Angel - The high-flying Warren Worthington III just missed my Top 50, coming in at #51. One of the founding members of the X-Men, The Champions and X-Factor, he's been a part of the MU since nearly the beginning and has been a valuable part of a number of teams beyond the ones listed. He's the only original member of the X-Men (not counting Professor X) to not make my Top 50. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 9:04:12 GMT -5
If your familiarity scale is on a 1-10 scale, 10 is way too high for Warren in any identity, and his Archangel score would be at least equal, if not higher than his Angel score. The highest demand Angel-centric issue in the back issue market right now is X-Factor 24 where he becomes Archangel. So while you may not like that identity, it is one that is more prominent in the current market than Angel. -M let me explain why Archangel gets a "0" because I'm deaf/hard of hearing when the cartoon came on TV in the 90's and I did not put 2 and 2 together because I did not know that Angel and Archangel are the same. Because of that, even today - I learn something brand new that Archangel is another code name for Angel. And, looking at Wikipedia - I was in shock to read that. So, having said that I have to acknowledge the fact when I put Archangel in and let you and everyone else to know that I have no knowledge of that character. Even with the popular X-Men Cartoon in the 90's did not help me out one bit. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2014 10:08:44 GMT -5
Number 26 - Cyclops Alter Ego - Scott Summers Team Affiliations - X-Men Family - Exclusively Created by - Stan Lee Illustrated by - Jack Kirby Abilities Optic force blasts, Spatial awareness, Gifted strategist, hand-to-hand combatant, and pilot Immunity to Havok's plasma energy blasts Interesting Fact - He is the son of Corsair (Major Christopher Summers) of the Starjammers; the oldest brother of both Havok (Alex Summers) and Vulcan (Gabriel Summers); the father of Cable (Nathan Summers); and, the widower of Madelyne Pryor and Jean Grey. Familiarity Rating - 10 Reason for Rank: A Superhero with a troubled past, great Leader for the X-Men, and very loyal to Hank McCoy a.k.a The Beast. One of the founding members of the X-Men and when I think of the X-Men he and the Professor X, Charles Xavier are the first two that comes into my mind, Gifted Strategist and one of the smartest Superhero around. He and Hank McCoy usually prepares for X-Men to battle.
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