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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 10, 2020 11:54:48 GMT -5
Green Arrow. Largely on the strength of Grell's work, though he would have won if you'd asked me before Grell's run began. If anyone ever did anything remotely interesting with Hawkeye then I never read it. Please, please, please treat yourself to the Matt Fraction-David Aja series. It's a whole lot of fun and looks beautiful too. I had forgotten about that. That was actually pretty good. Aja's art had a huge amount to do with it. Is Fraction the guy who always has the great set-up with no pay off in the end? That's how I'm remembering him. But, yeah, that run was pretty good. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 11:59:47 GMT -5
Green Arrow by far. Pretty much for all the reasons stated. He's a more interesting character and on top of that, Grell's run (at least up to the shift to Africa) is an all-time great one. Have never enjoyed Hawkeye (not even the Fraction run).
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Post by Batflunkie on Aug 10, 2020 12:17:51 GMT -5
Green Arrow just because of how damn good the Mike Grell run was. Oliver is a really good alternative to Batman when you play to his strengths Green Arrow under Grell is awesome and I wish Hawkeye had as good a run. I actually found Hawkeye 1st and then Green Arrow or it might be the other way around. It I've liked what I've read of Matt Fracton's run. It's a sort a "day in the life" type of story |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 12:33:23 GMT -5
As a kid it would have been Hawkeye because I was an Avengers nut who cut my eyeteeth reading older Avengers reprints in Marvel Triple Action and got excited whenever Hawkeye turned up in the main book, but I also liked Green Arrow and his Mego figure was one of my favorites. However, once I got to adolescence and then read the Grell run, Ollie catapulted to one of my favorite characters and Hawkeye in WCA was pretty lame and he didn't get interesting again until under the pen of Busiek in Avengers/T-Bolts, and then not again until the Fraction/Aja series. So choosing now it would be Ollie.
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Post by berkley on Aug 10, 2020 12:37:49 GMT -5
Hawkeye all the way. Nothing against the Green Arrow, I just haven't read enough DC comics to have much feeling of any kind for the character, positive or negative. But I liked Hawkeye in the Avengers up to when I stopped reading that series regularly, around #175 or so.
After that I have little idea, though from a few things I've seen online there were probably some things I would have disliked. For example, I think there may have been times when they over-emphasised the anti-authoritarian aspect - which I used to like when he challenged bossy types like Captain America or Iron Man in the early days - and written him as a plain arsehole who didn't care about anyone but himself - but this could well be a mistaken impression I picked up from seeing isolated scenes or panels online.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 10, 2020 12:40:16 GMT -5
As a kid it would have been Hawkeye because I was an Avengers nut who cut my eyeteeth reading older Avengers reprints in Marvel Triple Action and got excited whenever Hawkeye turned up in the main book, but I also liked Green Arrow and his Mego figure was one of my favorites. However, once I got to adolescence and then read the Grell run, Ollie catapulted to one of my favorite characters and Hawkeye in WCA was pretty lame and he didn't get interesting again until under the pen of Busiek in Avengers/T-Bolts, and then not again until the Fraction/Aja series. So choosing now it would be Ollie. -M The Green Arrow Mego figure is absolutely one of the best of the lot. Easily the best DC figure and easily the figure with the best accessories. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 13:33:05 GMT -5
This was a tough one, so I asked myself a question: if I was sent to a desert island, and could only subscribe to either a Hawkeye or Green Arrow title, which one would I choose?
Green Arrow. I guess I feel more towards him. Plus, I feel that Hawkeye often works better as part of an ensemble.
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Post by Prince Hal on Aug 10, 2020 13:44:45 GMT -5
Like 'em both, because I have always been partial to the story of Robin Hood.
So when I first encountered GA many decades ago languishing in the back pages of World's Finest, I was smitten.
I did my best to follow his stories, but he vanished from WF and appeared off and on in JLA. When he was reimagined by O'Neill and Adams, I was thrilled.
When I first found out about Hawkeye in Avengers 50, I was thrilled again.
Both of their costumes were great, they were scrappy second-stringer (sorry) types, and GA developed a "Don't take any $#it from anybody!"personality similar to Hawkeye's, which was just fine with me.
So it's a tie, but pressed to make a choice, I'd have to go with GA, for sentimental reasons.
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Post by The Captain on Aug 10, 2020 14:55:15 GMT -5
As a kid it would have been Hawkeye because I was an Avengers nut who cut my eyeteeth reading older Avengers reprints in Marvel Triple Action and got excited whenever Hawkeye turned up in the main book, but I also liked Green Arrow and his Mego figure was one of my favorites. However, once I got to adolescence and then read the Grell run, Ollie catapulted to one of my favorite characters and Hawkeye in WCA was pretty lame and he didn't get interesting again until under the pen of Busiek in Avengers/T-Bolts, and then not again until the Fraction/Aja series. So choosing now it would be Ollie. -M This is very similar, at least in sentiment, to my response. Was a Marvel guy for most of my life and liked Hawkeye as an Avenger, Thunderbolt, and in Fraction's series, but didn't know much about Green Arrow. However, within the past 20 months, I have acquired the first 80 issues of Grell's GA run and found a much deeper, more "adult" character than Hawkeye ever was. Oliver has layers and angles that Hawkeye doesn't, political views and wisdom that his bow-slinging Marvel counterpart lacks. They're both hotheads, but Clint is mad because he feels he can't measure up to others (usually Steve Rogers), while Oliver is mad because he feels the world doesn't measure up to what is could be. It's inward versus outward focus, and as I get older, I identify more with the latter and less with the former. It's close because of history, but I have to give the nod to Oliver Queen at this point in time. |
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Post by Confessor on Aug 10, 2020 15:35:03 GMT -5
I'm not really a fan of either, but like Slam, I'm gonna say Green Arrow because of Mike Grell's work on the character.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 10, 2020 15:56:53 GMT -5
Green Arrow. Largely on the strength of Grell's work, though he would have won if you'd asked me before Grell's run began. If anyone ever did anything remotely interesting with Hawkeye then I never read it. And let me say that this is based solely on the work that exists. I've long since stopped caring about characters as characters. A character is only as good or bad as the creators involved in a given story. Except Superman. He sucks. |
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Post by berkley on Aug 10, 2020 16:03:04 GMT -5
I meant to read the Fraction/Aja Hawkeye after I started hearing that it was good but still haven't gotten round to it - and this lack of motivation sems to apply to most of the characters I rmemember liking. The exceptions seem to be those characters that I feel have been ignored or badly written on a consistent basis - thus, the New Gods, the Eternals, etc - which is ironic because those are the very characters that are least likely to be given the kind of treatment I think they merit.
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Post by Rob Allen on Aug 10, 2020 19:12:52 GMT -5
I've enjoyed more stories with Hawkeye in them than with Green Arrow, so I'll go with Clint. I haven't read Grell's GA, or I might feel differently. Haven't read Fraction's Hawkeye either.
Which reminds me - as far as I can remember, MCU Clint Barton has been addressed or referred to as "Hawkeye" only once, in the first Avengers movie. Did I miss another example?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 19:40:59 GMT -5
It’s a shame we can’t track down every Hawkeye and Green Arrow tale - and collate some stats, e.g. who has missed their target the most times. That would truly let us know who was the best!
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Post by berkley on Aug 10, 2020 21:53:59 GMT -5
In the spirit of those annoying test questions:
Green Lantern is to Green Arrow as __________ is to Hawkeye?
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