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Post by foxley on Aug 10, 2020 23:22:29 GMT -5
As Captain America is to Hawkeye.
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Aug 10, 2020 23:54:35 GMT -5
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Post by brutalis on Aug 10, 2020 23:54:35 GMT -5
Yep. Cap it is.
Also as Iron Man is to Hawkeye.
Marvel took any opportunity for having Shellhead and Hawkhead pairing off in physical battles against each other where with Cap and Hawk it was always verbally and ideals driven confrontation.
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Post by foxley on Aug 11, 2020 4:01:35 GMT -5
To answer the original question: Green Arrow. Like so many others, I came to the character through Mike Grell's interpretation, when I found a cheap copy of The Longbow Hunters #1 in a 2nd hand bookstore. I was immediately hooked (partially because I had been a Robin Hood since I was young child [Thank you Disney]). And while Grell's 'urban hunter' interpretation remains my favourite, through that I came to an appreciation of Denny O'Neill and Neal Adams' 'social crusader' from the Bronze Age. The 'Batman clone' of the Gold and Silver Ages I can take or leave. I do like Hawkeye as I have a preference for non-powered superheroes, and he is certainly less pretentious than many of the Avengers. But, to me, he has always been 'Green Arrow'-lite. And what is up with Hawkeye's costume? I mean Green Arrow's outfit makes sense, because of the link to Robin Hood. But purple? Really? Although I suppose I should be grateful that his fashion-forward decision to fight crime in a miniskirt didn't last!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 4:41:19 GMT -5
To answer the original question: Green Arrow. Like so many others, I came to the character through Mike Grell's interpretation, when I found a cheap copy of The Longbow Hunters #1 in a 2nd hand bookstore. I was immediately hooked (partially because I had been a Robin Hood since I was young child [Thank you Disney]). And while Grell's 'urban hunter' interpretation remains my favourite, through that I came to an appreciation of Denny O'Neill and Neal Adams' 'social crusader' from the Bronze Age. The 'Batman clone' of the Gold and Silver Ages I can take or leave. I do like Hawkeye as I have a preference for non-powered superheroes, and he is certainly less pretentious than many of the Avengers. But, to me, he has always been 'Green Arrow'-lite. And what is up with Hawkeye's costume? I mean Green Arrow's outfit makes sense, because of the link to Robin Hood. But purple? Really? Although I suppose I should be grateful that his fashion-forward decision to fight crime in a miniskirt didn't last! Yep, Clint fighting without the skirt was soooo much better...   -M |
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Post by foxley on Aug 11, 2020 5:49:32 GMT -5
Yep, Clint fighting without the skirt was soooo much better... -M Eh, still better than this:
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Post by berkley on Aug 11, 2020 14:27:43 GMT -5
In the wild world of superhero comics where everyone wears weird, colourful costumes that one of Hawkeye's never jumped out at me as anything especially bizarre, either at the time or even now that I've seen it become a regular object of ridicule amongst fans. But then, I also liked George Perez's much-maligned Wonderman redesign, so maybe I'm totally out of step with the rest of the readership.
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Aug 11, 2020 14:33:03 GMT -5
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Post by brutalis on Aug 11, 2020 14:33:03 GMT -5
In the wild world of superhero comics where everyone wears weird, colourful costumes that one of Hawkeye's never jumped out at me as anything especially bizarre, either at the time or even now that I've seen it become a regular object of ridicule amongst fans. But then, I also liked George Perez's much-maligned Wonderman redesign, so maybe I'm totally out of step with the rest of the readership. The only problem with the Perez redesign for Wonderman was the color/placing. It would be so different if done darker and more green with red highlights and the yellow thinner more like trimming. That's my opinion, there, I said I liked it! |
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Post by foxley on Aug 12, 2020 11:08:37 GMT -5
On a way more minor note, another bugbear for me regarding Hawkeye's costume is that multiple versions of it (including the one I posted above) have featured bare hands. Archers wear that three-fingered glove for a reason. Drawing a high poundage bow with your bare fingers is inviting nerve damage.
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Aug 12, 2020 12:55:59 GMT -5
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Post by brutalis on Aug 12, 2020 12:55:59 GMT -5
On a way more minor note, another bugbear for me regarding Hawkeye's costume is that multiple versions of it (including the one I posted above) have featured bare hands. Archers wear that three-fingered glove for a reason. Drawing a high poundage bow with your bare fingers is inviting nerve damage. While true that many of the professional competition archers can wear gloves, most hunters do not. An forearm guard or sleeve protector (ala Green Arrow) is more widely used. |
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 12, 2020 13:00:55 GMT -5
Hawkeye and Green Arrow are two of my favorite characters, so I don't think I can choose between them. Give me both!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 12, 2020 13:26:29 GMT -5
On a way more minor note, another bugbear for me regarding Hawkeye's costume is that multiple versions of it (including the one I posted above) have featured bare hands. Archers wear that three-fingered glove for a reason. Drawing a high poundage bow with your bare fingers is inviting nerve damage. While true that many of the professional competition archers can wear gloves, most hunters do not. An forearm guard or sleeve protector (ala Green Arrow) is more widely used. The majority of the stick-flingers I know use bow releases so they aren't drawing the bow with their fingers anyway. |
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Post by berkley on Aug 14, 2020 15:50:05 GMT -5
In the Greek myths Heracles was a famous archer himself - did Marvel's version ever make reference to that?
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Post by brutalis on Aug 17, 2020 11:00:22 GMT -5
Which one today: Alien(s) or Predator(s)?
Both concepts can be scary/horrific and both have gone into action/comedic. Which is the better concept is left to the taste of the individual. Same can be said for the movies as for which is best. Combining the 2 franchises only muddies up the water. Or how much more difficult when they both go to comic confrontations with heroes?
My vote goes for Alien. The 1st 2 movies so completely capture the horror and fear of the "monster" unknown, unseen and then the full on terror once seen and confronted.
The Predators are a splendid concept but for me there is limited appeal to the "ultimate" hunter idea. And Predator makes for a much stronger antagonist in the comic books than ever has in the movies.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 11:12:26 GMT -5
Judging all of the films as a whole, I feel that ALIEN lost its way while PREDATOR didn’t. That is obviously subjective. And there is a bit of an apples/oranges thing in comparing the two, but I feel movies like ALIEN 3 ran out of steam. There just seems more mileage in PREDATOR, and I do feel ALIEN never really needed a sequel.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 17, 2020 12:45:02 GMT -5
Alien(s), just based on the fact that the original Alien film is one of the best movies ever made.
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