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Post by Rob Allen on Aug 17, 2020 12:56:01 GMT -5
I'll also go with Alien. I think I'd recognize a Predator, but never found them all that interesting.
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Post by impulse on Aug 17, 2020 16:31:28 GMT -5
Both started good and went down the tubes after at most the second movie. I have to give it to Alien, though, on the strength of the first two alone.
Clearly we are not counting anything after these first two as existing, of course.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 17, 2020 16:45:32 GMT -5
Alien at its best is leagues beyond Predator at its best. So I guess Alien. Though I really love Predator (the first film).
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 17, 2020 17:24:27 GMT -5
I've probably rewatched and enjoyed the Aliens films(especially the first two) more than any of the Predator films, and I'd definitely say that the first one is one of the best made horror films period...but I might go Predator here because it's a more malleable monster that opens it to more stories.
And although no masterpiece of a film I really enjoyed the first AVP film and the Predators with Adrian Brody and Lawrence Fisburn was fun as well.
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Post by berkley on Aug 17, 2020 19:42:18 GMT -5
Yeah, Predator was great fun but Alien is on another level. I can't remember much about the sequels, though I've seen some of them. The Cameron Aliens was good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2020 20:40:14 GMT -5
The first Alien movie flits in and out of consideration for my top 10 movies, and I love the second one as well. They could have stopped there though. Preadator was a fun "bad" movie, but Predator II is atrociously bad, and not even in a fun way. They should have stopped at one. With that, I'd pick Alien.
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Post by berkley on Aug 17, 2020 22:15:49 GMT -5
I regret not seeing Alien in the theatres when it first came out, before I'd heard anything about it or seen any clips or anything like that. Seeing it on video a few years later when I already knew the basic plot and had seen lots of excerpts and stills, and again in the theatres when it was re-released in the 1990s or 2000s, I still appreciate it as a magnificent piece of film-making but I missed experiencing that visceral impact the first viewing of such an original movie would have had under the right circumstances.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 18, 2020 6:00:05 GMT -5
Predator was a fun Saturday matinee action film, but Alien was a phenomenon! Aliens was furthermore one of the best sequels ever made.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 18, 2020 9:37:41 GMT -5
Aliens as a franchise is far better, along with the films, than Predator. While the Aliens films have long lost any reason to watch them, the comics and novels, have many great stories in them (as well as the Predator franchise for that matter too). Aliens Salvation is probably one of the top 10 single issues of all time in my book. Great moving and interesting story and great Mike Mignola art. You thought HR Giger could illustrate his own creation, you should see Mignola's Aliens.
I am one of the few fans of the franchise, though that likes Alien 3. I thought it was a good throwback to the single Alien threat. Granted most people didn't like Hicks and Newt getting killed off, but again that just set the mood for Ripley having to do it "alone" at a point. The original concept for the prison planet was a lot different and much more impressive than what practicality forced it to end up being. The collection I have has special features on all four films and shows some of the concept art and what the director really wanted to do.
I am also with thwhtguardian in that I too enjoyed AvP and Predators. Both films held up better than some of the sequels to the original Alien and Predator.
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Post by impulse on Aug 18, 2020 9:47:26 GMT -5
Count me among those that hated Alien 3 at the time, but I would be interested in seeing a graphic novel rendition of what the original concept was supposed to be without technological limitations. I HATED {Spoiler: Click to show (just in case)}not just that they killed Nicks and Newt, but how they did it. In a throwaway at the beginning "surprise there was ANOTHER alien on board after all haha,even after all that!" I thought the premise was contrived on its own, and it basically made Aliens all for nothing. IMO Alien 3 was a forced unwanted sequel that no one asked for and if they must, they did it all wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2020 11:53:52 GMT -5
Count me among those that hated Alien 3 at the time, but I would be interested in seeing a graphic novel rendition of what the original concept was supposed to be without technological limitations. I HATED {Spoiler: Click to show (just in case)}not just that they killed Nicks and Newt, but how they did it. In a throwaway at the beginning "surprise there was ANOTHER alien on board after all haha,even after all that!" I thought the premise was contrived on its own, and it basically made Aliens all for nothing. IMO Alien 3 was a forced unwanted sequel that no one asked for and if they must, they did it all wrong. There is an adaptation of Alien 3 done based on William Gibson's unproduced screenplay...  but not of the screenplay actually used for the movie. -M |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 18, 2020 12:44:59 GMT -5
Count me among those that hated Alien 3 at the time, but I would be interested in seeing a graphic novel rendition of what the original concept was supposed to be without technological limitations. I HATED {Spoiler: Click to show (just in case)}not just that they killed Nicks and Newt, but how they did it. In a throwaway at the beginning "surprise there was ANOTHER alien on board after all haha,even after all that!" I thought the premise was contrived on its own, and it basically made Aliens all for nothing. IMO Alien 3 was a forced unwanted sequel that no one asked for and if they must, they did it all wrong. There is an adaptation of Alien 3 done based on William Gibson's unproduced screenplay... -M I stopped after the first few pages when it was clear they weren't going to follow the existing rules for the franchise.
An alien eggsack grows out of Hicks.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 18, 2020 15:45:39 GMT -5
There is an adaptation of Alien 3 done based on William Gibson's unproduced screenplay... -M I stopped after the first few pages when it was clear they weren't going to follow the existing rules for the franchise.
An alien eggsack grows out of Hicks.
That was weird, but I really enjoyed the political tension it introduced as it incorrectly posited that the USSR would exist into the future and the coldwar would continue into the stars. |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 18, 2020 16:22:29 GMT -5
I stopped after the first few pages when it was clear they weren't going to follow the existing rules for the franchise.
An alien eggsack grows out of Hicks.
That was weird, but I really enjoyed the political tension it introduced as it incorrectly posited that the USSR would exist into the future and the coldwar would continue into the stars. I feel like that was the focus of every sci-fi film in the '80s. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 18, 2020 18:38:17 GMT -5
That was weird, but I really enjoyed the political tension it introduced as it incorrectly posited that the USSR would exist into the future and the coldwar would continue into the stars. I feel like that was the focus of every sci-fi film in the '80s. There were certainly more than a few, the Thing for instance certainly played on that coldwar kind of paranoia, but I liked it's use in the comic none the less. |
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