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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 11:51:41 GMT -5
I know I've seen Amazo on either Justice League/Unlimited or Superman: The Animated Series, and when I googled him his comics design looked familiar. I've heard the name Super Adaptoid, but googling him didn't ring any bells.
Amazo, I guess.
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Post by berkley on Nov 9, 2020 12:33:28 GMT -5
Which One is your android capable of duplicating powers of the heroes? Does Amazo or Super Adaptoid flip your switch? Super Adaptoid in all his green glory is my destructive android of choice. His visual is just much better than Amazo with his skull cap, pointy ears (wht?) and those rainbow suspenders. I don't believe any Amazo story has stuck in my mind but Adqptoid has made his mark for me in a few stories and that original John Buscema cover has always stood out in my memory. Much the same here: that issue, ##45, might have been the very first Avengers comic I ever read, and though it was so long ago that I don't remember much about it beyond the cover, it definitely got me interested in the Avengers, so Super-Adaptoid wins on the score of that impression. Amazo I know almost nothing about other than seeing a few pictures on the internet, which were enough to tell me that I don't like the visual design.
To be honest, I'm not a great fan of the whole "duplication of powers" thng as a character concept: it always feels like a cheap gimmick to me in whatever variation I see it: e.g. Super-Adaptoid, Super-Skrull, Taskmaster.
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Post by foxley on Nov 9, 2020 13:36:32 GMT -5
Amazo. I can think of multiple enjoyable stories featuring Professor Ivo's creation, but can't even remember if I've read a Super-Adaptoid story. Plus, quite frankly, Super-Adaptoid is a stupid name. 
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 9, 2020 15:46:04 GMT -5
Amazo. I can think of multiple enjoyable stories featuring Professor Ivo's creation, but can't even remember if I've read a Super-Adaptoid story. Plus, quite frankly, Super-Adaptoid is a stupid name. Not disagreeing, but come on, "Amazo" sounds like something the Flex-Seal guy would try to sell you. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 9, 2020 16:07:28 GMT -5
Amazo. I can think of multiple enjoyable stories featuring Professor Ivo's creation, but can't even remember if I've read a Super-Adaptoid story. Plus, quite frankly, Super-Adaptoid is a stupid name. Not disagreeing, but come on, "Amazo" sounds like something the Flex-Seal guy would try to sell you. Nah! Definitely feels like a pulp-era robot. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 9, 2020 16:14:33 GMT -5
Not disagreeing, but come on, "Amazo" sounds like something the Flex-Seal guy would try to sell you. Nah! Definitely feels like a pulp-era robot. Yes, sure, but then the name was recycled for a combination oven cleaner/ breath mint that was sold here:  |
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Post by berkley on Nov 9, 2020 19:11:30 GMT -5
I like the "Adaptoid" part of the name but "Super" has been ruined for me through over-use and also by association with the Superman character. I agreew ith Prince Hal, Amazo sounds like a dish-washing detergent or something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2020 19:21:34 GMT -5
I am going to take the mulligan and say neither this week.
I liked Super Adaptoid when I was 8 and I got the Marvel Triple Action issue that reprinted the first Avengers appearance (#45?) but by the time I was in high school and seriously collecting Avengers I was over the character and thought it was basically a silly conceit. There were a couple of Amazo appearances where I somewhat liked the story (I think the first time I read an Amazo story was during the JL Detroit era), but never took to the character much at all, again feeling it was based on a silly conceit and the kind of lazy conceptual storytelling that is the hallmark of the worst super-hero stories (my wife calls it inbred fanboy storytelling, and likes to describe it as being created by two fanboys who resemble Beavis and Butthead standing in the back of a creepy comic book shop going "heh heh heh wouldn't it be cool if..." and those ideas are then used as the basis for super-hero stories put out and only appeal to the narrow audience of fanboys and fall flat with any kind of a mass audience or with those who haven't been fans of comic book super-heroes for most of their lives). So if I had to choose one or the other, I'd basically pass and do something other than read a comic at that point.
-M
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Post by berkley on Nov 9, 2020 20:18:19 GMT -5
Yeah, it feels to me like the kind of idea someone comes up with when they've run out of ideas.
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Post by brutalis on Nov 16, 2020 7:32:09 GMT -5
Which One today? The Vision or Red Tornado?
Both started their life as villainous tools meant to destroy their respective teams. As both became stalwart members striving for finding their own humanity within and the struggles of a world which see's them as more machine than human while both having roller coaster rides of popularity, then writers not sure what to do with them my vote is for everyone's red skinned, green and yellow garbed synthezoid Vision.
His story throughout Avengers with finding romance and marriage with Wanda in taking on the role of father and husband only to be torn apart and rebuilt into more of the analytical walking computer is incredible. I felt he more than Tornado personified all the possibilities of such a storyline. Poor Red Tornado always felt more like a rip off or copycat of Vision's story arc without as much effort put into giving the "tin man" his heart and soul.
Your choice?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2020 8:08:09 GMT -5
Vision was my favorite Avenger as a kid. He remained one of my favorites until Byrne gutted everything interesting about the character in West Coast Avengers. Some of that was later restored, but the character was never the same after that. I never much took to Red Tornado at all, so I'll still choose him even though I haven't cared about the character since he got Byrned.
-M
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Post by Dizzy D on Nov 16, 2020 8:53:28 GMT -5
Vision almost by default, because I've read some Red Tornado stories (or at least comics that had him in them, usually standing with a bunch of other DC characters in a group shot trying to look serious) and I remember nothing about him (apart from that they changed him from an android to an Air Elemental years later to recapture the success of Swamp Thing).
I did read a bit about the Ma Hunkel Red Tornado and I think I'd prefer that character to both of them.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 16, 2020 9:04:15 GMT -5
Vision.
Never liked the android Red Tornado (Ma Hunkel is another story, but she ain't no android).
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Post by berkley on Nov 16, 2020 9:06:49 GMT -5
Vision all the way. Not that I have anything agsinst the Red Tornado character, or for him either - I can't remember reading any stories in which he makes an appearance, unless he was in the Busiek/Perez JLAvengers. While I can't say that the Vision has ever been a favourite character of mine, he is at the centre of one of my favourite Avengers stories, "Even an Android ...".
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 16, 2020 12:05:45 GMT -5
Both started their life as villainous tools meant to destroy their respective teams. As both became stalwart members striving for finding their own humanity within and the struggles of a world which see's them as more machine than human while both having roller coaster rides of popularity, then writers not sure what to do with them my vote is for everyone's red skinned, green and yellow garbed synthezoid Vision. His story throughout Avengers with finding romance and marriage with Wanda in taking on the role of father and husband only to be torn apart and rebuilt into more of the analytical walking computer is incredible. I felt he more than Tornado personified all the possibilities of such a storyline. Poor Red Tornado always felt more like a rip off or copycat of Vision's story arc without as much effort put into giving the "tin man" his heart and soul. This always seemed to be almost a repeat of the nearly simultaneous appearances of the X-Men and the Doom Patrol, and again it was the DC version that appeared first. Red Tornado showed up in June 1968 in JLA 64, the Vision in Avengers 57 in August of '68. I've never read (or don't recall reading) any authoritative articles about the coincidence. Like the DP and the X-Men, though the similarities are unmistakeable, the almost concurrent first appearances argue against plagiarism. I know that Roy Thomas and Gardner Fox were at least acquaintances, but I have no idea if they talked much, so I have no idea if the two characters came about as the result of bull sessions between them. (Though, this was near the time that DC pulled the plug on Fox and many of the older staffers at DC, and he did write a few stories for Marvel afterwards, so maybe he and Roy were conversing? Both Thomas and Fox were fond of reviving/ reinventing Golden Age heroes. Fox had been doing that for years in the annual JLA/JSA team-ups, and went with Red Tornado in 1968, who, recall, was a member of the JSA, not the JLA at first. It was Len Wein, IIRC, who brought him to Earth-One. And the similarity in storylines seems a natural outgrowth of the fact that both were androids. I mean, the same "I don't fit in" trope was part of the characterization of the Thing, Negative Man, Robotman, Hulk, and probably a dozen other super-heroes. Some of the similarities also arose well after the original appearances. The DP and X-Men, for example, were "outcast" heroes, but in the case of the X-Men that arose gradually and after their debut; the DP were "freaks" from the word go. RT was a guest star for a good while after his introduction, while Vision was designed to drop right in to the Avengers line-up, as they were without a muscle character at the time, as the line-up was down to Giant-Man, Black Panther, Wasp and Hawkeye. RT's alienation shtick, therefore, didn't really show up till after he became a member of the JLA, and even then, IIRC, he fairly easily took up with Kathy Sutton; he was never quite as tortured as the Vision was. He even took on a secret identity of sorts, as John Smith, no doubt trying to up the Martian Manhunter for originality. |
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