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Post by brianf on May 27, 2020 20:41:55 GMT -5
I read a lot of the DC New 52 via trades through my library.
I noticed a trend of huge battles going on where hundreds (thousands?) of normal folks living in a city died where the JLA battle aliens, or in Aquaman whole cities are flooded, or in Batman where some super criminal kills off tons of random citizens, etc....
I noticed this trope over and over again - maybe it was inspired by the Coast City destruction? - but yeah, I in no way would want to live in the DC universe.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 28, 2020 7:48:16 GMT -5
I read a lot of the DC New 52 via trades through my library. I noticed a trend of huge battles going on where hundreds (thousands?) of normal folks living in a city died where the JLA battle aliens, or in Aquaman whole cities are flooded, or in Batman where some super criminal kills off tons of random citizens, etc.... I noticed this trope over and over again - maybe it was inspired by the Coast City destruction? - but yeah, I in no way would want to live in the DC universe. I seem to remember Infinite Crisis being pretty forthcoming with the violence too. I only read it as it came out and not since so I maybe wrong. |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 28, 2020 9:08:19 GMT -5
I read a lot of the DC New 52 via trades through my library. I noticed a trend of huge battles going on where hundreds (thousands?) of normal folks living in a city died where the JLA battle aliens, or in Aquaman whole cities are flooded, or in Batman where some super criminal kills off tons of random citizens, etc.... I noticed this trope over and over again - maybe it was inspired by the Coast City destruction? - but yeah, I in no way would want to live in the DC universe. I seem to remember Infinite Crisis being pretty forthcoming with the violence too. I only read it as it came out and not since so I maybe wrong. I was surprised at the graphic violence also. Black Adam pushed his fingers through Psycho Pirates eyes and Deathstroke impales Phantom Girl. Kind of over the top. |
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Post by Prince Hal on May 28, 2020 9:31:59 GMT -5
I seem to remember Infinite Crisis being pretty forthcoming with the violence too. I only read it as it came out and not since so I maybe wrong. I was surprised at the graphic violence also. Black Adam pushed his fingers through Psycho Pirates eyes and Deathstroke impales Phantom Girl. Kind of over the top. Apparently that kind of thing sells comics. A far cry from purple gorillas. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 28, 2020 10:39:06 GMT -5
I seem to remember Infinite Crisis being pretty forthcoming with the violence too. I only read it as it came out and not since so I maybe wrong. I was surprised at the graphic violence also. Black Adam pushed his fingers through Psycho Pirates eyes and Deathstroke impales Phantom Girl. Kind of over the top. Yeah I don't remember those. I remember Ted Kord's death (though I forget by whom) being a pretty graphic head shot, or something along those lines. |
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Post by Prince Hal on May 28, 2020 10:40:26 GMT -5
I was surprised at the graphic violence also. Black Adam pushed his fingers through Psycho Pirates eyes and Deathstroke impales Phantom Girl. Kind of over the top. Yeah I don't remember those. I remember Ted Kord's death (though I forget by whom) being a pretty graphic head shot, or something along those lines. The good stuff has a tendency to blend together. |
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Post by Confessor on May 28, 2020 10:40:31 GMT -5
I was surprised at the graphic violence also. Black Adam pushed his fingers through Psycho Pirates eyes and Deathstroke impales Phantom Girl. A far cry from purple gorillas. I find both equally off-putting for different reasons. Green rabbits, on the other hand...  |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 28, 2020 10:46:14 GMT -5
A far cry from purple gorillas. I find both equally off-putting for different reasons. Green rabbits, on the other hand... I agree. Green space fairing rabbits battling a regime of galaxy conquering toads are much better than purple gorillas. Unless said purple gorilla is cosplaying as Prince. Then it's acceptable. And green rabbit smugglers are cool too. |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2020 17:57:09 GMT -5
You misunderstand me. I have read violent comics like Supreme Power or the Authority. Sometimes I read them. However I don't want to read them all the time. As far as mainstream comics it has become commonplace there anymore. The Joker having his face cut off? The Sentry ripping Carnage and Ares in pieces? So you can't just escape it anymore. This reminds me, as I am reading Age of Apocalypse at the moment, at the end of X-Men Omega in the final showdown between Magneto and Apocalypse and that was a coded comic. There's also the infamous girl in the fridge from Green Lantern #54, which I would say, as least the visual violence (the social aspect of it can be debated) was done much more tasteful. At least in that I remember staring at the panel, going back and reading the dialouge between Alexandria and Major Force, and then it finally dawning on me what was trying to be said visually.
don't forget this piece of garbage as well: Sentry kills Ares - graphically, on the page of (again) a coded comic
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Post by beccabear67 on May 28, 2020 19:50:33 GMT -5
It is quite the contrast to have "serious" graphic violence combined with primary colored costumes... something that could easily turn a lot of people away from reading comics is being made to look like a fool to others if seen holding something like that or a lot of the typical huge muscles and boobs junk. I think I remember a Fred Hembeck cartoon where he relates feeling foolish when an attractive woman notices him in a check-out line, with a stack of comics and a gaudy Godzilla one in particular on top! I don't see why that would be a tenth as foolish looking as anyone seen with some of these bizarre hybrid adult super-hero comic books. I almost wonder if the rush to hide away in darkened little cult shops with glowering Lobos and Wolverines in the front windows doesn't essentially prove the point. I can't think of much that is less adult than some of these so-called adult reader comic books, possibly the umpteenth attempt at a Miller Daredevil, Watchmen or even Omaha the Cat Dancer but with a minuscule percentage or experience and skill behind them. They would find out pretty quickly that only the lowest kind of publisher would publish them in the text fiction world. Desensitizing, deconstructive, damaging to the entire field, drives away more people than it captivates, and definitely unsustainable.  |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 28, 2020 20:12:11 GMT -5
The following example comes from Batman Legends Of the Dark Knight # 7. It was the second part of a 5 part series called Gothic from Morrison and Klaus Jansen. This shook me and still shakes me to look at it.    |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 29, 2020 15:18:42 GMT -5
don't forget this piece of garbage as well: Sentry kills Ares - graphically, on the page of (again) a coded comic Ugh that's awful. I was halfway thinking about reading Infinite Crisis again out of morbid curiosity but I think it'll stay in the file cabinet for now. |
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Post by Icctrombone on May 29, 2020 15:35:50 GMT -5
Infinite Crisis doesn't stand the test of time. It was a miss mosh of different artists and it undid the beautiful ending of COIE.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2020 18:28:10 GMT -5
Not a comic, but some of these posts are reminding me of when I thought I would try watching Supergirl with my daughter. I haven't seen any of the modern super-hero TV shows, so I had no idea what to expect. Five minutes in and we see the Martian Manhunter hold a guy over his head and rip him in half. My daughter didn't believe me that he was supposed to be a hero. I changed the channel and never looked back. I'm sure I happened to catch a particularly grisly scene, but Jiminy Cricket , if you stoop to such gratuitousness, then it's a safe bet that the rest of your story-telling is likewise crappy.
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Post by Prince Hal on May 29, 2020 19:17:51 GMT -5
Not a comic, but some of these posts are reminding me of when I thought I would try watching Supergirl with my daughter. I haven't seen any of the modern super-hero TV shows, so I had no idea what to expect. Five minutes in and we see the Martian Manhunter hold a guy over his head and rip him in half. My daughter didn't believe me that he was supposed to be a hero. I changed the channel and never looked back. I'm sure I happened to catch a particularly grisly scene, but Jiminy Cricket , if you stoop to such gratuitousness, then it's a safe bet that the rest of your story-telling is likewise crappy. That last sentence. So true. |
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