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Post by berkley on Jul 6, 2014 23:41:03 GMT -5
I've read the first Global Frequency collection and thought it was pretty good, but didn't quite live up to the raves I'd heard or read about it. Worth reading, but like a lot of Ellis it felt to me like he was trying to show some tv executives that he could create a show for them.
Automatic Kafka I've barely heard of.
Looking forward to trying Enigma myself one of these days, but don't know much about it (and I'm trying to keep it that way until I find out for myself!)
I have a couple I just came across while browsing Mike's News Stand:
Jemm Son of Saturn - don't know the writer, but the Gene Colan artwork attracts me.
The Accident Man - Chaykin did the covers but not the interior artwork for this 3-issue miniseries in 1993. Writer is credited as (Pat?) Mills.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 23:49:05 GMT -5
I've read the first Global Frequency collection and thought it was pretty good, but didn't quite live up to the raves I'd heard or read about it. Worth reading, but like a lot of Ellis it felt to me like he was trying to show some tv executives that he could create a show for them. Automatic Kafka I've barely heard of. Looking forward to trying Enigma myself one of these days, but don't know much about it (and I'm trying to keep it that way until I find out for myself!) I have a couple I just came across while browsing Mike's News Stand: Jemm Son of Saturn - don't know the writer, but the Gene Colan artwork attracts me. The Accident Man - Chaykin did the covers but not the interior artwork for this 3-issue miniseries in 1993. Writer is credited as (Pat?) Mills. If I remember correctly Global Frequency was either optioned about the time it was announced or was pitched as both a TV show and comic series and a pilot was greenlit for it, but not sure if it ever aired or was even made. So it's quite possible Ellis saw it as a dual media project or had an eye towards it appearing on the small screen as it was being written. -M |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 7, 2014 1:38:25 GMT -5
I read Jemm Son of Saturn since I was a Gene Colan fan.It did not make me a fan of the writer
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Post by Spike-X on Jul 7, 2014 2:04:42 GMT -5
mrp Avatar Jul 7, 2014 14:49:05 GMT 10 mrp said: berk Avatar Jul 7, 2014 14:41:03 GMT 10 berk said: I've read the first Global Frequency collection and thought it was pretty good, but didn't quite live up to the raves I'd heard or read about it. Worth reading, but like a lot of Ellis it felt to me like he was trying to show some tv executives that he could create a show for them. If I remember correctly Global Frequency was either optioned about the time it was announced or was pitched as both a TV show and comic series and a pilot was greenlit for it, but not sure if it ever aired or was even made. So it's quite possible Ellis saw it as a dual media project or had an eye towards it appearing on the small screen as it was being written. -M The pilot did indeed get made. I watched it years ago. It wasn't bad. I highly recommend the comics. |
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Post by Spike-X on Jul 7, 2014 2:08:19 GMT -5
Christ, the quoting system for this board software is crap.
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Post by Spike-X on Jul 7, 2014 2:08:43 GMT -5
I've read the first Global Frequency collection and thought it was pretty good, but didn't quite live up to the raves I'd heard or read about it. Worth reading, but like a lot of Ellis it felt to me like he was trying to show some tv executives that he could create a show for them. If I remember correctly Global Frequency was either optioned about the time it was announced or was pitched as both a TV show and comic series and a pilot was greenlit for it, but not sure if it ever aired or was even made. So it's quite possible Ellis saw it as a dual media project or had an eye towards it appearing on the small screen as it was being written. -M The pilot did indeed get made. I watched it years ago. It wasn't bad. I highly recommend the comics. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2014 2:26:57 GMT -5
Christ, the quoting system for this board software is crap. It's a lot easier if you respond with the quote in the BBcode view rather than the preview tab. You can make sure you are responding outside the quote box and can easily trim the quotes that way. If you accidentally click inside the quote box in Preview mode you cannot then click outside of it without going to the BBCode tab. It's not a great quote function, but it is far more usable on the BBCode tab than on the preview tab. -M |
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Post by comicscube on Jul 7, 2014 5:43:36 GMT -5
Enigma was good, to me, but I do think it's one of those books you can't really recommend. Too much of a crapshoot for people's tastes. It's not exactly "commercial."
Jemm works find when you take it into context -- that it was supposed to be a springboard for a new character and that he was supposed to be a Martian (J'onn's cousin). Taken in a vacuum, it's... pretty boring.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jul 7, 2014 10:16:36 GMT -5
I'd rank them Enigma, Global Frequency, then Automatic Kafka.
Enigma is, in my opinion, one of the best minis ever, but I can totally understand why someone might not enjoy it. It's off-beat, challenging, and somewhat provacative, but still manages to be profoundly entertaining to me. I also really like Duncan Fegredo's art, sketchy as it is at this early stage of his career (this is one of his first pen and ink gigs, having previously working as a painter), but I know a lot of people dislike it.
Global Frequency is solid, but the art is all over the place. It's mostly great artists turning in single issues based around a central concept, but the clash in styles can be jarring. GF is one of the few books in the "write for the trade" era that truly reads better as individual issues.
Automatic Kafka is Joe Casey's attempt at a "weird '80s" book. It's clearly meant as a love letter to Bill Sienkiewicz' groundbreaking work of the mid-late '80s: Elektra: Assassin, Stray Toasters, etc. Between that and its existentialist themes, it's definitely a challanging work. Like Casey's G0dland, Butcher Baker, and Catalyst Comix, I'd say it's more interesting than good, but it's definitely worth a look. I found myself frustrated with the book, hoping that certain elements would be explored more deeply, but I'm also glad that I stuck with it.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 8, 2014 20:43:16 GMT -5
The biggest part of Hulk I've read is when I started reading comics in the mid 90's 420ish to 475 and then with the Fixit story (while Hulk was always Green Hulk and smart) I read the original Gray Hulk/Fixit (324-375) and then with a randomly purchased Mignola cover discovered Hulk's expulsion from Earth and his space adventures (295-323). With these being the best parts of Hulk I've tried (I have bought random issues here and there of different eras old and new) what might you Hulk lovers suggest? Even if it's a 3 or 4 issue story. Or even not in the Hulk title. Just something that really defines the best aspects of the character as I think Fixit and space adventurer do. My only hang up of Hulk is the typical brainless brute of the few really early Hulk issues I have. In single doses as I have them they're fine but I couldn't see reading issues after issue if that's his strongest trait. Also I tend to like the stories of Hulk and Banner as one being, Fixit being the exception as neither had control over the change. That makes them both on equal grounds, which seems to equalize their strengths and weaknesses.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 8, 2014 22:58:47 GMT -5
I'd rank them Enigma, Global Frequency, then Automatic Kafka. Enigma is, in my opinion, one of the best minis ever, but I can totally understand why someone might not enjoy it. It's off-beat, challenging, and somewhat provacative, but still manages to be profoundly entertaining to me. I also really like Duncan Fegredo's art, sketchy as it is at this early stage of his career (this is one of his first pen and ink gigs, having previously working as a painter), but I know a lot of people dislike it. Global Frequency is solid, but the art is all over the place. It's mostly great artists turning in single issues based around a central concept, but the clash in styles can be jarring. GF is one of the few books in the "write for the trade" era that truly reads better as individual issues. Automatic Kafka is Joe Casey's attempt at a "weird '80s" book. It's clearly meant as a love letter to Bill Sienkiewicz' groundbreaking work of the mid-late '80s: Elektra: Assassin, Stray Toasters, etc. Between that and its existentialist themes, it's definitely a challanging work. Like Casey's G0dland, Butcher Baker, and Catalyst Comix, I'd say it's more interesting than good, but it's definitely worth a look. I found myself frustrated with the book, hoping that certain elements would be explored more deeply, but I'm also glad that I stuck with it. Agreed with all of this. I think Engima is flat-out the best superhero comic published in my lifetime. |
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 9, 2014 0:49:40 GMT -5
The biggest part of Hulk I've read is when I started reading comics in the mid 90's 420ish to 475 and then with the Fixit story (while Hulk was always Green Hulk and smart) I read the original Gray Hulk/Fixit (324-375) and then with a randomly purchased Mignola cover discovered Hulk's expulsion from Earth and his space adventures (295-323). With these being the best parts of Hulk I've tried (I have bought random issues here and there of different eras old and new) what might you Hulk lovers suggest? Even if it's a 3 or 4 issue story. Or even not in the Hulk title. Just something that really defines the best aspects of the character as I think Fixit and space adventurer do. My only hang up of Hulk is the typical brainless brute of the few really early Hulk issues I have. In single doses as I have them they're fine but I couldn't see reading issues after issue if that's his strongest trait. Also I tend to like the stories of Hulk and Banner as one being, Fixit being the exception as neither had control over the change. That makes them both on equal grounds, which seems to equalize their strengths and weaknesses. |
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Post by Spike-X on Jul 9, 2014 4:39:19 GMT -5
Christ, the quoting system for this board software is crap. It's a lot easier if you respond with the quote in the BBcode view rather than the preview tab. You can make sure you are responding outside the quote box and can easily trim the quotes that way. If you accidentally click inside the quote box in Preview mode you cannot then click outside of it without going to the BBCode tab. It's not a great quote function, but it is far more usable on the BBCode tab than on the preview tab. -M Good to know, thanks! |
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 9, 2014 9:28:43 GMT -5
The biggest part of Hulk I've read is when I started reading comics in the mid 90's 420ish to 475 and then with the Fixit story (while Hulk was always Green Hulk and smart) I read the original Gray Hulk/Fixit (324-375) and then with a randomly purchased Mignola cover discovered Hulk's expulsion from Earth and his space adventures (295-323). With these being the best parts of Hulk I've tried (I have bought random issues here and there of different eras old and new) what might you Hulk lovers suggest? Even if it's a 3 or 4 issue story. Or even not in the Hulk title. Just something that really defines the best aspects of the character as I think Fixit and space adventurer do. My only hang up of Hulk is the typical brainless brute of the few really early Hulk issues I have. In single doses as I have them they're fine but I couldn't see reading issues after issue if that's his strongest trait. Also I tend to like the stories of Hulk and Banner as one being, Fixit being the exception as neither had control over the change. That makes them both on equal grounds, which seems to equalize their strengths and weaknesses. Can't believe this doesn't get more play, but it's out of continuity, so no one else cares I guess. I don't care. Some of the best stories are because they don't have decades of rules they have to adhere to.
Think you'll like this.
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 9, 2014 22:46:05 GMT -5
First off, put me in the camp that recommends Shade, Testament, and Transmet...this thread is great. So I have a camping trip coming up, looking to stock the backpack. Any thoughts on these 3? Global Frequency (Ellis/Various artists), Automatic Kafka (Casey/Wood), Enigma (Milligan/Fegredo) All thoughts greatly appreciated, Thanks! I've only read Enigma, but liked it. It's worth it for the ending alone... |
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