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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 5, 2014 20:43:05 GMT -5
Zot was in color for the first 10 issues and due to low sales #11-36 were B&W
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 20:50:46 GMT -5
Okay, now I just have to ask...what series have you read that - in your opinion - requires one to exert mental energy to follow the storyline? Any other Vertigo comic. Most runs of superhero comics by a single writer. Virtually all modern TV shows... 99.98% of professional fiction in general in any medium. USUALLY you have a progression of events - Something happens, then the characters change as a result of this, and then something else happens BECAUSE the first thing happens, and then something else happens because the (now changed) character takes action. That's how fiction works. Ex Machina and Y the Last Man (both by the same author) just felt like a bunch of random events, completely unconnected by a story-line... there's hardly any progress in the plot or characters in relation to past events. I was honestly kind of amazed to see that in a work of fiction by a professional writer. Which doesn't make them terrible, exactly. There were some really good individual scenes-that-didn't-impact-anything-else-that-happened-in-the-book-so-I-had-no-reason-to-care-about-the-storyline-overall. Well, they were sort of terrible. Although come to think I gave up at the end of Volume 4 of Ex Machina. Just couldn't take it any more. It might have improved greatly and tied all the individual plot threads together into a brilliant, logical ending. I will never find out. But I'd totally recommend Saga to you. The early issues go for big $, and it says the F-word all the time. I can't necessarily disagree with you, having only read one issue, but that's a bit of a surprise. Thanks for the heads up before I went out and bought them all |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 23:31:25 GMT -5
Just couldn't take it any more. It might have improved greatly and tied all the individual plot threads together into a brilliant, logical ending. I will never find out. Well,if Rep's boy Rob Liefeld did the art,Rep might have a different opinion. Check it out Jez and let us know I should be getting the first dozen or so issues of Ex Machina this weekend. I mentioned Saga to my dealer as well, it's one of those Image titles that slipped through his radar as he got fed up of indie titles that were coming and going and just stuck with the more established characters. The potty-mouthness of it all has piqued my curiousity.... |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on May 5, 2014 23:45:42 GMT -5
Saga was another title I kept and have read up-to-date.Its good,I'll continue buying it when it comes back from a 3 month hiatus.After reading it I sold issues #1-18 to Midtown Comics for $175 cash.Why not?I'm not gonna read it again
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Post by fanboystranger on May 5, 2014 23:51:23 GMT -5
Saga's really, really good, but it's not the be-all and end-all as some people would have it. I actually consider Brandon Graham's Prophet to be the superior Image sci-fi title, mostly because of the artists he works with.
One of the problems I have with BKV's work in general is his overreliance on cliffhangers. It builds excitement from month to month, but they don't have the same impact upon a re-read. Y, the Last Man especially has this flaw-- I absolutely loved it when I was reading it monthly, but when I re-read it, it didn't have the same feel. He's definitely a good writer and he's done some excellent work, but I can't rightfully put him in with the best the medium has to offer. He'll always be a second tier guy to me. |
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Post by Dizzy D on May 6, 2014 3:32:55 GMT -5
Re: Zot! I have Zot! — The Complete Black and White Collection: 1987-1991, which you could get for 8 euros at a major bookstore over here for a while. Sadly the bookstore went bankrupt, but copies should be available on the net for a couple of bucks.
Also: totally worth every cent of it.
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Post by ironchimp on May 6, 2014 5:47:06 GMT -5
Saga's really, really good, but it's not the be-all and end-all as some people would have it. I actually consider Brandon Graham's Prophet to be the superior Image sci-fi title, mostly because of the artists he works with.
i preferred prophet too until i lost the thread of the story. saga was enjoyable but moved too slowly for me and like ish i just sold my issues as i would never re-read it. prophet i would totally re-read though as i think i missed a lot of stuff first time round. |
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Post by Dizzy D on May 6, 2014 6:11:28 GMT -5
Can't really say which Image comic I consider the best right now, there are so many good ones and they are all doing different things.
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 6, 2014 6:56:32 GMT -5
Saga was interesting for awhile but I just stopped caring around #16. The problem I often have with newer series is that the writers are so adept at writing "real" characters with seemingly realistic "flaws" that I find myself growing to dislike them or at least find myself not caring. I realized that part of the reason I like fantasy, sci-fi and superheroes is the idealization aspect of characterization; Peter Parker is really an idealized geek, not one so nuanced that you learn to loath him. I care more about about an ostensibly two-dimensional character like Sam Gamgee than I ever would any character in Saga.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 6, 2014 8:15:47 GMT -5
Saga was another title I kept and have read up-to-date.Its good,I'll continue buying it when it comes back from a 3 month hiatus.After reading it I sold issues #1-18 to Midtown Comics for $175 cash.Why not?I'm not gonna read it again Which is exactly why I'd taken to buying the 1st issue of most image stuff I want to try instead of trade waiting... that's just silly  |
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 6, 2014 8:18:04 GMT -5
Saga was interesting for awhile but I just stopped caring around #16. The problem I often have with newer series is that the writers are so adept at writing "real" characters with seemingly realistic "flaws" that I find myself growing to dislike them or at least find myself not caring. I realized that part of the reason I like fantasy, sci-fi and superheroes is the idealization aspect of characterization; Peter Parker is really an idealized geek, not one so nuanced that you learn to loath him. I care more about about an ostensibly two-dimensional character like Sam Gamgee than I ever would any character in Saga. I was starting to feel that way about mid way through the 3rd trade (probably around that same issue), but then stuff happened and it picked back up so that I'm definitely on board for the 4th one. One thing that's really nice about Saga is there is actual progression... the writer isn't afraid to allow time to pass... the main character was pregnant, had the baby, and said baby will be a toddler next storyline. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on May 6, 2014 10:08:43 GMT -5
Saga was interesting for awhile but I just stopped caring around #16. The problem I often have with newer series is that the writers are so adept at writing "real" characters with seemingly realistic "flaws" that I find myself growing to dislike them or at least find myself not caring. I realized that part of the reason I like fantasy, sci-fi and superheroes is the idealization aspect of characterization; Peter Parker is really an idealized geek, not one so nuanced that you learn to loath him. I care more about about an ostensibly two-dimensional character like Sam Gamgee than I ever would any character in Saga. I was starting to feel that way about mid way through the 3rd trade (probably around that same issue), but then stuff happened and it picked back up so that I'm definitely on board for the 4th one. One thing that's really nice about Saga is there is actual progression... the writer isn't afraid to allow time to pass... the main character was pregnant, had the baby, and said baby will be a toddler next storyline. I certainly appreciate what they're doing. I might just wait and read a big chuck of it in trade format. Still, I think I've lost interest in the characters and setting. Ah, well. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 6, 2014 13:04:47 GMT -5
I will say that everyone else liked Ex Machina, and it got pretty good reviews. I flat-out loathed it, but I am a small minority.
How about: Dalgoda and Neil the Horse? These got glowing reviews in '80s era in the fan/prozines that I own, but I never hear them discussed now-a-days.
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Post by fanboystranger on May 6, 2014 13:26:10 GMT -5
Saga's really, really good, but it's not the be-all and end-all as some people would have it. I actually consider Brandon Graham's Prophet to be the superior Image sci-fi title, mostly because of the artists he works with.
i preferred prophet too until i lost the thread of the story. saga was enjoyable but moved too slowly for me and like ish i just sold my issues as i would never re-read it. prophet i would totally re-read though as i think i missed a lot of stuff first time round. It's definitely a book that reads better in large clumps. Graham certainly doesn't hold our hands throughout the story. (That's actually another thing I really like about it.) |
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Post by fanboystranger on May 6, 2014 13:28:08 GMT -5
I will say that everyone else liked Ex Machina, and it got pretty good reviews. I flat-out loathed it, but I am a small minority. How about: Dalgoda and Neil the Horse? These got glowing reviews in '80s era in the fan/prozines that I own, but I never hear them discussed now-a-days. I've never read Neil the Horse, although I've heard that it's downright wonderful. I have read a few stray Dalgoda issues, and I enjoyed them alot. It has a real Blacksad feeling, but with sci-fi elements. |
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