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Post by antoine on May 31, 2015 19:18:47 GMT -5
Thanks! Didn't like the art that much, so I think I'll pass...
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 1, 2015 1:09:17 GMT -5
Joe Kelly's Deadpool is the best Deadpool. All other series fall far short. (Gail Simone's the second best, and a lot of people love Nicieza's Cable and Deadpool, which I think is tremendously overrated.) I think the first 12 or so issues of Kelly's run is excellent, the rest of his run, not so much. I did enjoy the Nicieza omnibus more than I was expecting when I read it recently though, I'd put it before the late Kelly stuff. Kelly was the one who really 'created' Deadpool in my eyes though. Gotta disagree. The second year of Kelly's Deadpool, while certainly uneven (mostly due to the art), reframed the Marvel Universe as a ridiculous place, which, as a fan, I have to say is spot on. Bulleye's a chump, Batroc's a chump, Captain America's a chump... humanity's last gasp for free will depends on bad decisions. It's actually brilliant in the most stupid way possible.
Third year, I kinda agree with, but still-- Dr Bong(!) as a psychiatrist, Kitty Pryde as a ragdoll (thus fulfilling her ultimate puropse), Bulleye and sheep, Black Talon being called out for the stereotype he is (in an interesting manner), and one of the most twisted origin stories of all time. Twisted, hateful, yet still the best Marvel title of its period... sorry, Seagle Alpha Flight (which needs to be reprinted) and Busiek Thunderbolts.
That said, Kyle Baker is by far the best artist to ever work on a Deadpool book. Not his greatest book, but it's KYLE friggen' BAKER, so easy standards to work by.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 2:24:03 GMT -5
So any opinions on Elephantmen? I am a fan of Ladronn's art so the samples I see from this book intrigue me, but I know virtually nothing about it. Premise? Worth checking out parts or all of? Where to start?, Who else did art?
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 1, 2015 5:18:29 GMT -5
So any opinions on Elephantmen? I am a fan of Ladronn's art so the samples I see from this book intrigue me, but I know virtually nothing about it. Premise? Worth checking out parts or all of? Where to start?, Who else did art? -M He scares me. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 1, 2015 9:58:07 GMT -5
So any opinions on Elephantmen? I am a fan of Ladronn's art so the samples I see from this book intrigue me, but I know virtually nothing about it. Premise? Worth checking out parts or all of? Where to start?, Who else did art? -M The premise is the Elephantmen (not all of them are Elephants, incidently, it's sort of a generic term in the story for humans modified with Animal DNA) are back from the global wars, and have no place in society... they're a part of the past people want to forget, yet there they are, larger than life. I've read I think the 1st 2 trades, it's pretty good, with very good art (if you like the style), for whatever reason I just haven't gotten back to it. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 1, 2015 10:54:53 GMT -5
So any opinions on Elephantmen? I am a fan of Ladronn's art so the samples I see from this book intrigue me, but I know virtually nothing about it. Premise? Worth checking out parts or all of? Where to start?, Who else did art? -M Elephantmen is fantastic, but Ladronn isn't the artist for it. He does the Hip Flask albums, which are set in different timeframes from the Elephantmen ongoing series. Moritat is the regular artist for most of the series, and his work is very strong. Marian Churchland has some beautiful stories, too.
I'd say start with the Hip Flask albums, then the War Toys mini, then the regular series. However, it's not that hard to jump in at any point.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 1, 2015 11:35:47 GMT -5
I've read the entire series up until about 6 months ago, and it's solid. If you like science fiction at all, it would be worth your time to check it out.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2015 13:29:16 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback all!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 11:24:15 GMT -5
The covers for Elephantmen look fantastic, and so does most of the interior art I've looked up. Seems like either the artist changes frequently or doesn't use a consistent style because a lot of the images turning up look like different illustrators. I got my hands on a freebie somewhere, I can't remember if it was an actual issue or a FCBD thing or what, but it didn't sell me, so I haven't checked anything else out.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 3, 2015 12:24:04 GMT -5
The covers for Elephantmen look fantastic, and so does most of the interior art I've looked up. Seems like either the artist changes frequently or doesn't use a consistent style because a lot of the images turning up look like different illustrators. I got my hands on a freebie somewhere, I can't remember if it was an actual issue or a FCBD thing or what, but it didn't sell me, so I haven't checked anything else out. It does change artists fairly regularly. Moritat was the original regular artist, but Starkings knows how to rotate artists in a very effective manner. I think Boo Cook is the current regular artist. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 3, 2015 12:59:41 GMT -5
I think the first 12 or so issues of Kelly's run is excellent, the rest of his run, not so much. I did enjoy the Nicieza omnibus more than I was expecting when I read it recently though, I'd put it before the late Kelly stuff. Kelly was the one who really 'created' Deadpool in my eyes though. Gotta disagree. The second year of Kelly's Deadpool, while certainly uneven (mostly due to the art), reframed the Marvel Universe as a ridiculous place, which, as a fan, I have to say is spot on. Bulleye's a chump, Batroc's a chump, Captain America's a chump... humanity's last gasp for free will depends on bad decisions. It's actually brilliant in the most stupid way possible.
Third year, I kinda agree with, but still-- Dr Bong(!) as a psychiatrist, Kitty Pryde as a ragdoll (thus fulfilling her ultimate puropse), Bulleye and sheep, Black Talon being called out for the stereotype he is (in an interesting manner), and one of the most twisted origin stories of all time. Twisted, hateful, yet still the best Marvel title of its period... sorry, Seagle Alpha Flight (which needs to be reprinted) and Busiek Thunderbolts.
That said, Kyle Baker is by far the best artist to ever work on a Deadpool book. Not his greatest book, but it's KYLE friggen' BAKER, so easy standards to work by.
Joe Kelly's is indeed great and why I have held on to it despite the profit I could turn. But Waid and Churchill's Deadpool is still by far the best story I've read of him. Sure it's only four issues, but Waid really gets it spot on. The dialogue is good, the story while simplistic is good. And Churchill is by far my favorite Deadpool. Though Churchill's art in general is always good. I do think Simone did well in transitioning from "Funeral for a Freak", which for me was the low point in the series. Not necessarily Tieri's writing, I just really don't care for the Weapon X backstory of Deadpool and along with "Agent of Weapon X by Scalera. So Simone's start with it and carrying it into Agent X along with awesome Alive Lee art, was an easy second best of the series. It did have up and downs, but it is a solid good story. And Seagle's Alpha Flight while good, Heroes of Hire would probably get my second best series of the time to Deadpool. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 3, 2015 13:55:55 GMT -5
Gotta disagree. The second year of Kelly's Deadpool, while certainly uneven (mostly due to the art), reframed the Marvel Universe as a ridiculous place, which, as a fan, I have to say is spot on. Bulleye's a chump, Batroc's a chump, Captain America's a chump... humanity's last gasp for free will depends on bad decisions. It's actually brilliant in the most stupid way possible.
Third year, I kinda agree with, but still-- Dr Bong(!) as a psychiatrist, Kitty Pryde as a ragdoll (thus fulfilling her ultimate puropse), Bulleye and sheep, Black Talon being called out for the stereotype he is (in an interesting manner), and one of the most twisted origin stories of all time. Twisted, hateful, yet still the best Marvel title of its period... sorry, Seagle Alpha Flight (which needs to be reprinted) and Busiek Thunderbolts.
That said, Kyle Baker is by far the best artist to ever work on a Deadpool book. Not his greatest book, but it's KYLE friggen' BAKER, so easy standards to work by.
Joe Kelly's is indeed great and why I have held on to it despite the profit I could turn. But Waid and Churchill's Deadpool is still by far the best story I've read of him. Sure it's only four issues, but Waid really gets it spot on. The dialogue is good, the story while simplistic is good. And Churchill is by far my favorite Deadpool. Though Churchill's art in general is always good. I do think Simone did well in transitioning from "Funeral for a Freak", which for me was the low point in the series. Not necessarily Tieri's writing, I just really don't care for the Weapon X backstory of Deadpool and along with "Agent of Weapon X by Scalera. So Simone's start with it and carrying it into Agent X along with awesome Alive Lee art, was an easy second best of the series. It did have up and downs, but it is a solid good story. And Seagle's Alpha Flight while good, Heroes of Hire would probably get my second best series of the time to Deadpool. I don't like Churchill's art-- a little too Jim Lee/Dale Keown for me-- so that held the mini down for me. I actually prefer the original Nicieza/Maduira mini.
Low part of the ongoing (again, for me) was actually the Palmiotti issues. It seemed like Jimmy was trying to be funny, but utterly failing. Plus, some of the worst Paul Chadwick art I've ever seen-- I love Paul Chadwick, but this was not good. Tieri's run wasn't good, but at least he was trying something different with the character. Gail did bring it back.
Yeah, I love H4H, too, and the Deadpool appearance in that is classic.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 3, 2015 15:47:41 GMT -5
I've just seen a few folks whose taste in comics I respect (Jessie412, thwhtguardian and coke & comics) over in the Classic Comics Reading Club 2015 thread singing the praises of the DC: The New Frontier mini-series. I loved Marvels and Kingdom Come, so do you think I'd enjoy it? I'm not a massive fan of Darwyn Cooke's artwork in all honesty, but I can tolerate him as long as the writing is good. So, should I pick this up?
Also, what about the 1993 DC mini-series The Golden Age by James Robinson and artist Paul Smith?
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jun 3, 2015 15:57:20 GMT -5
I've just seen a few folks whose taste in comics I respect ( Jessie412, thwhtguardian and coke & comics) over in the Classic Comics Reading Club 2015 thread singing the praises of the DC: The New Frontier mini-series. I loved Marvels and Kingdom Come, so do you think I'd enjoy it? I'm not a massive fan of Darwyn Cooke's artwork in all honesty, but I can tolerate him as long as the writing is good. So, should I pick this up? Also, what about the 1993 DC mini-series The Golden Age by James Robinson and artist Paul Smith? I liked the story well enough for The New Frontier, but I'm in the minority in that I can't stand the artwork. Many will sing it's praises, so I'll leave that to them.
The Golden Age is excellent in both story and art. It's a TPB that I return to regularly to re-read.
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 3, 2015 16:16:36 GMT -5
I've just seen a few folks whose taste in comics I respect ( Jessie412, thwhtguardian and coke & comics) over in the Classic Comics Reading Club 2015 thread singing the praises of the DC: The New Frontier mini-series. I loved Marvels and Kingdom Come, so do you think I'd enjoy it? I'm not a massive fan of Darwyn Cooke's artwork in all honesty, but I can tolerate him as long as the writing is good. So, should I pick this up? Also, what about the 1993 DC mini-series The Golden Age by James Robinson and artist Paul Smith? Golden Age is a must. You won't be disappointed by that. Definitely the best "Elseworlds".
I love The New Frontier, but I do think you need to enjoy Cooke's style to really love it. I didn't really like it when I picked up the first issue when it first appeared, but after reading Cooke's Parker adaptations (as well as his Catwoman and X-Statix art stints), I had become a fan of his work and enjoyed NF a lot more. Great story, but not for everyone. Also, it's depends on your tolerance for Hal Jordan because, above all, it's a Green Lantern story. (Although Hal's a bit less Cold War throwback in this series, even though it's set during the Cold War.)
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