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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on May 29, 2015 23:00:33 GMT -5
I do love me some Barry-Windsor Smith...I will pursue those issue regardless of whether the stories are good. His art is worth it always.
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Post by spoon on May 29, 2015 23:07:15 GMT -5
So I doubt I will ever be able to have a complete X-Men run from when the title was at its best through the 70's and into the 80's However, I do have the opportunity to snag up a pretty solid run of New Mutants. Worth it? Is the earliest stuff the best or the later stuff? And how does it stack up? I am not a huge fan of "young superheroes". What I mean is, I don't love it if my superheroes are kids. Teen Titans, while I admit I have not read enough to make much an opinion, has never grabbed me enough to collect more. I figure I may get the first 10 issues or so and see. Unless there is a better starting point...thoughts? I would say yes, it's worth it. It's a bit hard for me to put myself in other people's shoes in this, though, because I'm just about a completist of the X-books in the 80s. I've read up to around #75. I think the conventional wisdom is the quality drops off when Claremont leaves around #50, but I like stuff beyond that. I'm not sure how you'll like it if you don't like heroes as kids. The youth of the cast isn't merely incidental to New Mutants. It's a fairly prominent tone/theme running through the series. But I think New Teen Titans is mostly a poor man's X-Men. It doesn't have as vivid writing. I guess the beginning is fine to start off with. Personally, I think I remember it picking up a bit more around #7 or #10 or so. With #18, Bill Sienkiewicz takes over the art, and it's stylistic very different. His run on art lasts about year. Very cool, but very, very different. |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on May 29, 2015 23:41:48 GMT -5
Yeah Teen Titans writing never grabbed me. Good art, mediocre writing. Uncanny X-Men really nailed it with great art and great stories.
I like Sienkiewicz, I have the full Elektra: Assassin run he did with Miller. Art is crazy and, while ugly at times, it is also quite beautiful. An acquired taste but one I seem to like. Looking at some of the covers though, I think I will still lean towards the Windsor Smith stuff on New Mutants. Those covers look solid.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 0:44:17 GMT -5
Reading Rebels has me thinking about DMZ... any thoughts? Sounds like it could be either really good or really preachy. I loved it. At the time I was reading both that and Scalped. DMZ caught my attention earlier, and Scalped finished on a higher note, but I really enjoyed both. DMZ is definitely worth checking out. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 30, 2015 6:27:13 GMT -5
Sounds like it's worth getting the first trade or two... thanks.
As far as Titans go, I've never understood why people compare it to X-Men. Yes, they're both team books that arguable peaked at the same time, but that's it. Wolfman's Titans have a completely different vibe. It's definitely a coming of age story, with it's members coming to grips both with their own identities, and their identity as a group. There's no racism analogue, and far less inter-team tension. In X-Men, you get the sense at different points they really just don't like each other. Titans is never like that. I wouldn't call it better (at times it it, at times it isn't) but I certainly wouldn't call them similar, or even say'If you like X-Men, you'll like New Teen Titans'
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 7:29:30 GMT -5
I think I'll be trying the Revival series that I saw referred to in the bargain thread...actual comics though, not digi format. Has anyone read them? Are they in colour?
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on May 30, 2015 9:50:34 GMT -5
I compared the two on the basis that, as far as teams go, X-men really takes the cake. Arguably the best team out there along with FF although the FF were at its best in the silver age. I just haven't found the same enjoyment from teen titans but that's not to say that, with more exposure, it won't.
I appreciate the feedback on new mutants thank you all!
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Post by spoon on May 30, 2015 11:11:19 GMT -5
Yeah Teen Titans writing never grabbed me. Good art, mediocre writing. Uncanny X-Men really nailed it with great art and great stories. I like Sienkiewicz, I have the full Elektra: Assassin run he did with Miller. Art is crazy and, while ugly at times, it is also quite beautiful. An acquired taste but one I seem to like. Looking at some of the covers though, I think I will still lean towards the Windsor Smith stuff on New Mutants. Those covers look solid. Just to be clear, Barry Windsor-Smith just does the covers on those issues. Most of those issues have Jackson "Butch" Guice on pencils. I don't recall BWS drawing the interiors of any issue of New Mutants. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 30, 2015 17:29:52 GMT -5
Sounds like it's worth getting the first trade or two... thanks. As far as Titans go, I've never understood why people compare it to X-Men. Yes, they're both team books that arguable peaked at the same time, but that's it. Wolfman's Titans have a completely different vibe. It's definitely a coming of age story, with it's members coming to grips both with their own identities, and their identity as a group. There's no racism analogue, and far less inter-team tension. In X-Men, you get the sense at different points they really just don't like each other. Titans is never like that. I wouldn't call it better (at times it it, at times it isn't) but I certainly wouldn't call them similar, or even say'If you like X-Men, you'll like New Teen Titans' I dunno... They were both team books that revived past, previously cancelled teams with new members, they were both written by "second generation" Marvel superhero creators who had absorbed the same set of influences in their comic writing, they were very similar in tone - much less jokey or tounge-in-cheek than most of the superhero books of the last few decades - and they both stressed character development over plot, high concept science fiction, or thematic depth. And John Byrne and George Perez - while they hald very different art styles - were the two most popular artists of their generation.... But both of them lost most of their fanbase when they strayed from doing traditional corporate-owned superheroes. I'm not actually disagreeing with anything you said, but they feel a lot more alike than different to me. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 30, 2015 17:39:46 GMT -5
Hmmm... I see where you're coming from. The Titans were the same core, though, with a couple additions, rather than a whole new team... though I suppose that's true of the X-Men as well.
I don't think Perez and Byrne are similar at all, though.
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Post by antoine on May 30, 2015 19:43:01 GMT -5
I think I'll be trying the Revival series that I saw referred to in the bargain thread...actual comics though, not digi format. Has anyone read them? Are they in colour? Not sure I'm going to be much help, but I own the 1st tpb and I gave it a 7/10 rating (I note everything in a software). Unfortunately, I can't really remember anything about it, so it's not really a good sign, since I read it fairly recently, last december... I can't even find it now, so I can't tell if it's color or not, but I think it was... But I think it was ok... Is there an award for less useful post? |
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Post by antoine on May 30, 2015 19:45:17 GMT -5
Any comments on Deadpool MAX?? I'm not really a deadpool fan, but there's 3 tpb for 5$ each in a store close to my place and I thought that the max imprint might be better than usual deadpaool (I just read 1 Deadpool HC in the past, Deadpool team-up, and it sucked). Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2015 21:35:04 GMT -5
Revival is pretty good. I'm a year behind or so because I just can't keep up with everything but I'd like to get caught up eventually
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Post by fanboystranger on May 31, 2015 0:13:08 GMT -5
Any comments on Deadpool MAX?? I'm not really a deadpool fan, but there's 3 tpb for 5$ each in a store close to my place and I thought that the max imprint might be better than usual deadpaool (I just read 1 Deadpool HC in the past, Deadpool team-up, and it sucked). Thanks! Only if you really, really love Kyle Baker's art. Dave Lapham seemed like he'd be a perfect fit for such a book, but he really phoned it in. It's certainly not Baker's best work, either, but it's worth it if you like his art.
Joe Kelly's Deadpool is the best Deadpool. All other series fall far short. (Gail Simone's the second best, and a lot of people love Nicieza's Cable and Deadpool, which I think is tremendously overrated.)
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Post by The Cheat on May 31, 2015 16:15:43 GMT -5
Joe Kelly's Deadpool is the best Deadpool. All other series fall far short. (Gail Simone's the second best, and a lot of people love Nicieza's Cable and Deadpool, which I think is tremendously overrated.) I think the first 12 or so issues of Kelly's run is excellent, the rest of his run, not so much. I did enjoy the Nicieza omnibus more than I was expecting when I read it recently though, I'd put it before the late Kelly stuff. Kelly was the one who really 'created' Deadpool in my eyes though. |
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