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Post by spoon on Nov 13, 2015 21:52:38 GMT -5
Barry Windsor-Smith's few issues he did about Wolverine including X-men #205 and the later serialized Weapon X series ended up being a big part of his origin story. BWS artwork has some amazing detail and these have held up as classic X-men related tales. He did some other X-men stuff too. I haven't read the Machine Man mini-series in years but remember digging it. It is a series that has it's fans even today. Thanks - looking at wikipedia, I see he also did an issue of Daredevil (#286), a couple of Iron Man, among other things. Anyone read those? I'll probably try them anyway, there are only a few and they're not expensive, thankfully. The Daredevil issue is #236. I read that as well as his X-men issues (#186, #198, #205, #214). I believe the Daredevil issue was Ann Nocenti's first as the writer for the series. It was just supposed to be a fill-in, with Steve Englehart becoming the regular writer. Englehart thought Nocenti's portrayal of the Black Widow conflicted with how he was going to use her, so dropped out of writing the series. The first few issues by Nocenti are really shaky before she learns to be less pedantic. Uncanny X-Men #186 and #198 are titled Lifedeath and Lifedeath II. The second isn't really a sequel. It's just another story focusing on Storm with BWS art. #186 is pretty good. It involves continuing plotlines, but I think stands alone well enough. #198 is basically a stand-alone issue about Storm. It's not really an X-Men story. It comes across as very self-important. Whether you like it will depend a lot on your opinion of Storm as Claremont's "teacher's pet". I think #205 is just regarded as a classic. #214 is a bit of Mutant Massacre aftermath that brings Dazzler into the mix. It's the most typical X-Men of the BWS issues, in the sense that it's not a "very special episode". |
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Post by berkley on Nov 13, 2015 23:40:32 GMT -5
Thanks - looking at wikipedia, I see he also did an issue of Daredevil (#286), a couple of Iron Man, among other things. Anyone read those? I'll probably try them anyway, there are only a few and they're not expensive, thankfully. The Daredevil issue is #236. I read that as well as his X-men issues (#186, #198, #205, #214). I believe the Daredevil issue was Ann Nocenti's first as the writer for the series. It was just supposed to be a fill-in, with Steve Englehart becoming the regular writer. Englehart thought Nocenti's portrayal of the Black Widow conflicted with how he was going to use her, so dropped out of writing the series. The first few issues by Nocenti are really shaky before she learns to be less pedantic. Uncanny X-Men #186 and #198 are titled Lifedeath and Lifedeath II. The second isn't really a sequel. It's just another story focusing on Storm with BWS art. #186 is pretty good. It involves continuing plotlines, but I think stands alone well enough. #198 is basically a stand-alone issue about Storm. It's not really an X-Men story. It comes across as very self-important. Whether you like it will depend a lot on your opinion of Storm as Claremont's "teacher's pet". I think #205 is just regarded as a classic. #214 is a bit of Mutant Massacre aftermath that brings Dazzler into the mix. It's the most typical X-Men of the BWS issues, in the sense that it's not a "very special episode". Thanks for the info. I'll probably look for all of those, though I'm a bit iffy about the Dazzler issue. I've always liked Sotrm, though. When do you think the "teacher's pet" treatment started, right from the beginning? I haven't read any X-Men past around #150 and I recall Storm as an important member of the team but not singled out in an annoying way. But I haven't looked at those issues since the early 80s so my memory could be playing me false. |
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Post by spoon on Nov 14, 2015 0:16:41 GMT -5
The Daredevil issue is #236. I read that as well as his X-men issues (#186, #198, #205, #214). I believe the Daredevil issue was Ann Nocenti's first as the writer for the series. It was just supposed to be a fill-in, with Steve Englehart becoming the regular writer. Englehart thought Nocenti's portrayal of the Black Widow conflicted with how he was going to use her, so dropped out of writing the series. The first few issues by Nocenti are really shaky before she learns to be less pedantic. Uncanny X-Men #186 and #198 are titled Lifedeath and Lifedeath II. The second isn't really a sequel. It's just another story focusing on Storm with BWS art. #186 is pretty good. It involves continuing plotlines, but I think stands alone well enough. #198 is basically a stand-alone issue about Storm. It's not really an X-Men story. It comes across as very self-important. Whether you like it will depend a lot on your opinion of Storm as Claremont's "teacher's pet". I think #205 is just regarded as a classic. #214 is a bit of Mutant Massacre aftermath that brings Dazzler into the mix. It's the most typical X-Men of the BWS issues, in the sense that it's not a "very special episode". Thanks for the info. I'll probably look for all of those, though I'm a bit iffy about the Dazzler issue. I've always liked Sotrm, though. When do you think the "teacher's pet" treatment started, right from the beginning? I haven't read any X-Men past around #150 and I recall Storm as an important member of the team but not singled out in an annoying way. But I haven't looked at those issues since the early 80s so my memory could be playing me false. I think Storm starts to take on a focus that I annoying somewhat during the John Romita, Jr. era (around the 180s), but then it kicks up a notch around 200. I liked Storm and Wolverine more in the early years when they are two pieces of an ensemble cast. The more Claremont tries to promote them as the stars of the book, the less I like them. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 14, 2015 17:50:43 GMT -5
I quite liked the first half, but it eventually descended into crossover hell. Still, my favorite Wonder Woman run from the last 70 years! I remember think it suffered from some rather average artwork. I've come to the conclusion that it's almost impossible for me to enjoy WW because I'm interested in Greek mythology myself and no one ever seems to write that element of the WW concept to my satisfaction. But I have the same feeling about Marvel's version of Greek myth, for the most part, so it's probably more a problem with the treatment of (ancient) myth in superhero comics in general than with the WW character itself. Yeah, agreed about the artist - Andrew Johnson, right? I thought he was a great landscape artist - Not so good at "fight scenes" or "monsters" or "people." And the Greek Myth stuff is always done poorly - and most often boringly as well - in Wonder Woman comics. Yet everybody goes back to it. She's the anti-Thor, who is far more interesting when he's running around Asgard with Volstagg. |
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Post by berkley on Nov 14, 2015 18:14:50 GMT -5
I remember think it suffered from some rather average artwork. I've come to the conclusion that it's almost impossible for me to enjoy WW because I'm interested in Greek mythology myself and no one ever seems to write that element of the WW concept to my satisfaction. But I have the same feeling about Marvel's version of Greek myth, for the most part, so it's probably more a problem with the treatment of (ancient) myth in superhero comics in general than with the WW character itself. Yeah, agreed about the artist - Andrew Johnson, right? I thought he was a great landscape artist - Not so good at "fight scenes" or "monsters" or "people." And the Greek Myth stuff is always done poorly - and most often boringly as well - in Wonder Woman comics. Yet everybody goes back to it. She's the anti-Thor, who is far more interesting when he's running around Asgard with Volstagg. Marvel's Thor benefited from the magic touch of Jack Kirby, one of the very few creators working in superhero comics who had a feel for mythology and was able to make use of it in his stories. Most other writers, OTOH, consciously or (more often, I suspect) unconsciously get hung up on using the mythological figures of the past as a contrast to the modern mythology of superheroes, in order to highlight what they see as the superior power and morality of the latter. |
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Post by Spike-X on Nov 14, 2015 22:00:11 GMT -5
I quite liked the first half, but it eventually descended into crossover hell. Still, my favorite Wonder Woman run from the last 70 years! I remember think it suffered from some rather average artwork. I've come to the conclusion that it's almost impossible for me to enjoy WW because I'm interested in Greek mythology myself and no one ever seems to write that element of the WW concept to my satisfaction. Perez's run probably came the closest in that aspect. |
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Post by berkley on Nov 15, 2015 0:59:26 GMT -5
I remember think it suffered from some rather average artwork. I've come to the conclusion that it's almost impossible for me to enjoy WW because I'm interested in Greek mythology myself and no one ever seems to write that element of the WW concept to my satisfaction. Perez's run probably came the closest in that aspect. I'm a little sceptical about that but will try to withhold judgement until I actually read some of it, if I ever get around to doing so: I'm a big fan of Perez's artwork but his WW run came in the middle of the period I like least, when his rendering of the human form became more thin and angular. I much prefer the fuller, more rounded figures of his early art and which I think he's come back to in his more recent work. He came up with a great design for Ares, though, I assume during that WW run. |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Nov 23, 2015 23:02:08 GMT -5
What are the Marvel Chillers issues featuring Tigra like? I have always found her an odd character.
Also, what is Spider-Girl like from the late 90's, early 2000's? |
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Post by spoon on Nov 23, 2015 23:44:27 GMT -5
What are the Marvel Chillers issues featuring Tigra like? I have always found her an odd character.
Also, what is Spider-Girl like from the late 90's, early 2000's? I like Spider-Girl. As you may know, it spun out of an issue of What If? It stars the teenage daughter of Spider-Man, in a near future that pretty much just looks like the comtemporary world. It has a sort of lighter Silver Age Lee/Romita feel to it. It's a lighter alternative to grim and gritty, relatively speaking. There's a lot of legacy character - children/namesakes/successors to contemporary Marvel characters. So it's nice, fun escapist fare, but nothing earth-shattering. I believe the first series (100 issues) was just one writer (Tom DeFalco) and two pencilers (Pat Oliffe and Ron Frenz). At some points, Sal Buscema does the inking. With very little change to the creative team, if you sample a few issues, it will give you a good idea of whether you'd like the series as a whole. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 17:02:02 GMT -5
The Boys....OR...Scalped.
Decisions.....decisions....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 17:05:29 GMT -5
Scalped!
-M
(full disclosure I don't like Ennis's stuff except for his war stories)
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 24, 2015 17:10:19 GMT -5
What are the Marvel Chillers issues featuring Tigra like? I have always found her an odd character.
Also, what is Spider-Girl like from the late 90's, early 2000's? The 1st Spider-Girl series is very good.. it's very reminiscient of Silver Age Spidey.. there's a few original characters, but mostly legacy types.. the MC2 universe also had Avengers Next, J2 (son of Juggernaut) and Wild Thing (daughter of Wolverine and Electra).. those were all minis/short term, though. There's a 2nd volume called Amazing Spider-girl that I didn't read, but I've heard good things. She's also feature in the current Web-Warriors series, though I don't know how prominently (waiting for the trade) |
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Post by Trevor on Nov 24, 2015 17:21:50 GMT -5
The Boys....OR... Scalped.
Decisions.....decisions.... Fwiw, The Boys is super cheap at Comixology this week. |
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Post by berkley on Nov 24, 2015 18:30:02 GMT -5
The Boys....OR... Scalped.
Decisions.....decisions.... Haven't read Scalped but I can definitely recommend The Boys, both on its own merits and because I think it would be in line with your tastes, as far as I can tell from your posts here at Classics. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 24, 2015 20:27:56 GMT -5
The Boys....OR... Scalped.
Decisions.....decisions.... Both! The Boys is at least 50% comedy in the early issues - thought it gets darker later- and Scalped is dead serious all the way through. I love 'em both, though. |
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