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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 9:22:51 GMT -5
What really precipitated the COIE was that the industry had not suffered the kind of interruption that divided the Golden and Silver Ages, and the Silver Age had never officially ended, so now about 30 years' worth of continuity was beginning to stack up, and to make matters worse, the fans never seemed to move on as they had in years past. The Golden Age was, give or take, about 10 years long, continuity meant virtually nothing, and fans recycled every few years."And that is the crux of the problem of the "not my whatever" syndrome. Continuity has become more important than story and fans don't recycle, they linger forever with little to no new blood coming in, so they never let go of the era where they came in and resist any change to it, be it changes to characters, format, storytelling methods or what have you. -M |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 13, 2020 9:32:25 GMT -5
What really precipitated the COIE was that the industry had not suffered the kind of interruption that divided the Golden and Silver Ages, and the Silver Age had never officially ended, so now about 30 years' worth of continuity was beginning to stack up, and to make matters worse, the fans never seemed to move on as they had in years past. The Golden Age was, give or take, about 10 years long, continuity meant virtually nothing, and fans recycled every few years."And that is the crux of the problem of the "not my whatever" syndrome. Continuity has become more important than story and fans don't recycle, they linger forever with little to no new blood coming in, so they never let go of the era where they came in and resist any change to it, be it changes to characters, format, storytelling methods or what have you. -M Now because the fans don't recycle, the stories do. It's like the high school friends who never get beyond talking about what happened that one day in homeroom sophomore year. |
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Post by Confessor on Jul 13, 2020 19:21:18 GMT -5
Don't know if it's been mentioned already, but today I got to wondering, "What if Wally Wood had stayed on Daredevil in 1965?"
Or, you could even expand that out and ask, "What if Wally Wood had been more heavily involved in Marvel's Silver Age?"
I really enjoy Wood's art on the five or so issues of Daredevil that he did in the mid-60s and would've loved to have seen him stay on that series for much longer. No disrespect to "Jazzy" John Romita, who arguably did an even better job on Daredevil than Wood, but it would be fascinating to see how Wood's long-term take on the character would've panned out. Likewise, imagine if Wood have moved from Daredevil in 1965 and gone over to, say, X-Men or the Nick Fury strip in Strange Tales or even something like Millie the Model, which I could definitely see benefiting from his ability to draw gorgeous ladies.
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Post by brutalis on Jul 13, 2020 19:39:03 GMT -5
Don't know if it's been mentioned already, but today I got to wondering, " What if Wally Wood had stayed on Daredevil in 1965?" Or, you could even expand that out and ask, " What if Wally Wood had been more heavily involved in Marvel's Silver Age?" I really enjoy Wood's art on the five or so issues of Daredevil that he did in the early '60s and would've loved to have seen him stay on that series for much longer. No disrespect to "Jazzy" John Romita, who arguably did an even better job on Daredevil than Wood, but it would be fascinating to see how Wood's long-term take on the character would've panned out. Likewise, imagine if Wood have moved from Daredevil in 1965 and gone over to, say, X-Men or the Nick Fury strip in Strange Tales or even something like Millie the Model, which I could definitely see benefiting from his ability to draw gorgeous ladies. Not to mention What If da Woodster remained on inking Avengers for a long long time! |
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Post by berkley on Jul 13, 2020 20:30:48 GMT -5
Don't know if it's been mentioned already, but today I got to wondering, " What if Wally Wood had stayed on Daredevil in 1965?" Or, you could even expand that out and ask, " What if Wally Wood had been more heavily involved in Marvel's Silver Age?" I really enjoy Wood's art on the five or so issues of Daredevil that he did in the mid-60s and would've loved to have seen him stay on that series for much longer. No disrespect to "Jazzy" John Romita, who arguably did an even better job on Daredevil than Wood, but it would be fascinating to see how Wood's long-term take on the character would've panned out. Likewise, imagine if Wood have moved from Daredevil in 1965 and gone over to, say, X-Men or the Nick Fury strip in Strange Tales or even something like Millie the Model, which I could definitely see benefiting from his ability to draw gorgeous ladies. I would like to have seen him do more Kull, or some other sword and sorcery title (perhaps an original character?): I love that first "origin issue" of Kull the Conqueror and though the artwork is credited to Ross Andru with Wood inking, I think it ends up looking more like the latter than the former. OTOH, I wouldn't want to miss the great work done by Marie and John Severin either so some creative thinking would be required by Marvel's editor in chief.
A Doctor Doom series might have been nice as well, going by how good that short run in Astonishing Tales looked. Wood was great at spooky Medieval castles, etc. I also think his style would have looked good with the Black Panther, for some reason, though I can't recall ever seeing him draw that character.
And maybe some kind of SHIELD or spy series, given that he arguably invented the whole look of Steranko's Nick Fury with those skin-tight space-suits with all kinds of weapons and gadgetry attached.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2020 20:40:00 GMT -5
I would like to have seen him do more Kull, or some other sword and sorcery title (perhaps an original character?): I love that first "origin issue" of Kull the Conqueror and though the artwork is credited to Ross Andru with Wood inking, I think it ends up looking more like the latter than the former. OTOH, I wouldn't want to miss the great work done by Marie and John Severin either so some creative thinking would be required by Marvel's editor in chief. A Doctor Doom series might have been nice as well, going by how good that short run in Astonishing Tales looked. Wood was great at spooky Medieval castles, etc. I also think his style would have looked good with the Black Panther, for some reason, though I can't recall ever seeing him draw that character.
And maybe some kind of SHIELD or spy series, given that he arguably invented the whole look of Steranko's Nick Fury with those skin-tight space-suits with all kinds of weapons and gadgetry attached.
If you want to see Wood on a sword & sorcery style book, check out his Wizard King stuff (which I believe originated in the Witzend anthology he did but has been collected)...   there's been a few different editions over the years, these are the most recent (and most work-safe covers), and even though it says trilogy, there's only two books that I know of. Of course there are his inks over Ditko in Stalker as well...  -M |
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Post by berkley on Jul 13, 2020 22:50:20 GMT -5
Stalker I thought was just a little disppointing: good, but not as great as I had been hoping. I don't think either Ditko or Wood look at their best in this series, though it isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination. Just not quite the masterpiece I'd been hoping to see, given how much I like both artists.
I think the art looks better in the Wizard King but it's a bit more Tolkien-ish than the kind of sword and sorcery I was thinking of in the earlier post. Still good though. From memory, I liked the artwork more than the story. It's been a long time since I've read it so I'll see how I react next time.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 8:43:55 GMT -5
There's a comic (only one issue that I am aware of) called "Barbarians and Beauties" featuring businessmen and beastlies barbarians and beauties from Wood. I'm pretty sure it's all reprint, but I don't know where the stories came from.
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Post by brutalis on Jul 14, 2020 9:41:00 GMT -5
Talking of Wally Wood got me pondering on what I would have loved to see him. Can you imagine a Wood Aquaman?. Magnus Robot Fighter? Creeper with inking over Ditko? Inking or pencils on Mister Miracle or Demon or Omac? A Kirby/Wood X-Men? Wood doing Tarzan or Flash Gordon or Buck Roger's or Phantom or Mandrake? Wood Starman (any of DC versions) could be amazing. Wood on a Superboy series is a no brainer. Wood on Ka-Zar?
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Post by Farrar on Jul 14, 2020 11:36:47 GMT -5
There's a comic (only one issue that I am aware of) called "Barbarians and Beauties" featuring businessmen and beastlies barbarians and beauties from Wood. I'm pretty sure it's all reprint, but I don't know where the stories came from.Don't forget you can always check the gcd, which more often than not provides reprint info. Speak of the devil: www.comics.org/issue/47263/ |
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 17, 2020 17:32:02 GMT -5
I loved Wood's Daredevil issues; that was the first comic I bought regularly.
Someone on Facebook recently posted that DD #7 was Wood's audition for the Sub-Mariner series in Tales to Astonish. That would have been awesome!
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Post by brutalis on Jul 20, 2020 10:03:40 GMT -5
What If Starlin was doing his magic at DC instead of Marvel. Imagine if he brought Hawkman and Dr. Fate and Adam Strange screaming into the fan favorite 70s cosmic collectability?
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Post by berkley on Jul 20, 2020 19:56:34 GMT -5
What If Starlin was doing his magic at DC instead of Marvel. Imagine if he brought Hawkman and Dr. Fate and Adam Strange screaming into the fan favorite 70s cosmic collectability? All my What if's of this sort tend to move in the other direction as I don't like many DC characters to begin with. So I'm more likely to ask What If Bernie Wrightson had drawn Man-Thing, or What If Mike Kaluta had Drawn Marvel's John Carter of Mars series, things like that. And even then, there aren't as many DC artists from that 60s-70s era that interest me as there are Marvel. |
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Post by brutalis on Jul 20, 2020 23:30:49 GMT -5
With that thought about DC, What If Infantino in his prime was working for Marvel? How different could Daredevil be given what Infantino had done with the "new" updated Batman. Imagine a Silver Surfer series from Carmine. How cool is a Captain Mar-Vell from the pencil of Infantino? What about a Black Panther with futuristic Wakanda as the setting as only Carmine might imagine it. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmm...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2020 23:41:17 GMT -5
What If Starlin was doing his magic at DC instead of Marvel. Imagine if he brought Hawkman and Dr. Fate and Adam Strange screaming into the fan favorite 70s cosmic collectability? Given how DC editorial was structured at the time, I don't think Starlin would have been able to work much magic. He would have been handed full scripts by other writers to draw on mystery books most likely if he was breaking in there, and if he went off-script wouldn't have gotten more work or a writing gig to do his own thing. And if he did manage to get a writing gig, editors would have been much more hands on with script development and approval so Starlin wouldn't have had the free hand he did in the wild and woolly Marvel editorial bullpen of the 70s. His Adam Strange strips might have looked better than some of the stuff produced with him on art, but they would likely had read exactly the same way the strips that were produced did. Starlin's magic needed the incubator of the Marvel method and hands off editorial structure of 70s Marvel to bear fruit. Now what if DC had adopted a looser more hands off editorial policy in the 70s and adopted the Marvel method of giving the artists freer reign to lay out and plot the stories, you might have had some wild results, but taking different talent and putting them in the DC editorial straight-jacket wouldn't have produced markedly different results-look at Englehart's constant struggles with editorial on JLofA and how it blunted his work there compared to what he was able to do on Avengers or Defenders in the wild and woolly Marvel of the 70s. -M |
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