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Post by berkley on Sept 9, 2020 11:54:32 GMT -5
She-Hulk #1
The series had been going so good until that issue ...
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Post by impulse on Sept 9, 2020 12:20:52 GMT -5
She-Hulk #1 The series had been going so good until that issue ... Oof. Not sure if you're saying a reboot killed it or it was always garbage, but cold.
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Post by berkley on Sept 9, 2020 16:08:49 GMT -5
She-Hulk #1 The series had been going so good until that issue ... Oof. Not sure if you're saying a reboot killed it or it was always garbage, but cold. Just a cheap joke at the expense of a character I've always disliked as a concept.
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Post by Duragizer on Sept 9, 2020 23:22:18 GMT -5
I lovee Shulkie. Her cousin, on the other hand, bores me to sleep.
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Post by SJNeal on Sept 10, 2020 17:04:53 GMT -5
That's because Tom Grindberg was never a good artist. I beg to differ... When he was getting work from Marvel and DC in the late 80s and early 90s, he was asked to ape certain styles of other artists that were popular and moved units, rather than use his own because he was versatile and could do it, but if you look at his natural style, as seen seen above, it's a game changer. Once he was freed from editorial constraints and direction to draw like someone else, his artwork was top notch. Blame editors who couldn't get the artists they wanted to work on books because they cost too much or demanded too much editorial freedom and then required the artists whom they did hire to work in a style that wasn't their own to try to vicariously capture the sales those artists generated. -M Ah, I stand corrected! My experience has always been (mostly) limited to DC/Marvel so I wouldn't have ever seen this (Conan..?) if you hadn't posted. Thanks!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2020 22:05:46 GMT -5
Ah, I stand corrected! My experience has always been (mostly) limited to DC/Marvel so I wouldn't have ever seen this (Conan..?) if you hadn't posted. Thanks! He's done some Conan samples and was supposed to do a Conan project with Roy Thomas for Dark Horse but the change of license to Marvel put the kibosh on that, but those are fromthe Sunday Tarzan strips he worked on for several years. Here is an early example of his more natural style form the Batman Bride of the Demon GN from 1990... not as good as he got to be by the time of the Tarzan strips, but nothing like what he was doing at Marvel's request in the 90s... I'll cop to hating his 90s stuff and thinking he was a terrible artist, until someone turned me on to his Tarzan stuff and Conan samples and it completely changed my mind about his ability. -M
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 11, 2020 6:21:46 GMT -5
That Batman page is nothing but Neal Adams swipes. Admittedly, he's better at it than Rich Buckler, but still...
Cei-U! Love those Tarzan samples, though!
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Post by MDG on Sept 11, 2020 8:51:19 GMT -5
That Batman page is nothing but Neal Adams swipes. Admittedly, he's better at it than Rich Buckler, but still... Cei-U! Love those Tarzan samples, though! Grindberg came out of Adams' studio--if he was working on those pages at the time, it's not inconceivable that Adams might've had a hand in them.
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Post by berkley on Sept 11, 2020 12:55:21 GMT -5
That Batman page is nothing but Neal Adams swipes. Admittedly, he's better at it than Rich Buckler, but still... Cei-U! Love those Tarzan samples, though!
Which look a lot like Frazetta, don't they. But I never have a problem with someone occasionally doing a good imitation of a first-rate artist.
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Post by SJNeal on Sept 11, 2020 14:18:10 GMT -5
Swipes or not, those Batman pages are great! Much better than anything that springs to mind when I typically think of Grindberg (like the Secret Defenders, or Firestorm work mentioned earlier).
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2020 10:30:03 GMT -5
I haven't read that run of Firestorm. But it was written by John Ostrander who will always get every benefit of every doubt from me. I probably shoud read it, as I've never disliked anything by Ostrander... but that costume got me to stop buying it. HUGE Firestorm fan (lookie at that avatar over there << ). . . .
but yeah, this is crap.
I didnt' mind the redesigned costume - I mean, after all, it was no longer Ronnie/Stein.
but what I DID mind? is that other than the "merge" concept, the character stopped being "Firestorm" - he no longer used any transmutation powers. he became only about "flying" and "power blasts". . and I VERY QUICKLY grew bored with that.
and that's on the writing, so yeah - that's on Ostrander.
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Post by profh0011 on Feb 7, 2021 17:41:50 GMT -5
One more example of an artist who wound up doing FAR BETTER work away from Marvel than they did at Marvel.
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Post by commond on Feb 13, 2021 21:24:22 GMT -5
Age of Apocalypse killed my interest in superhero books. The only thing I've read since then have been Vertigo books or independent titles. I started reading X-Men in '88 when the team were in Australia. I'm sure most of you had given up on the book by then, but that was the year I began collecting comics. I stuck with the book after they fired Claremont, and wasted my pocket money on Image, the Death of Superman, and all of the major early 90s events, but Age of Apocalypse was the killer. I remember the guy at the comic book store telling me I shouldn't be reading that rubbish anymore, then going through the back issue boxes picking out stuff he thought I should get into. Then he canceled all my subs, and that was it. I've been thinking about reading some of the more acclaimed modern runs, but there's so much classic stuff I haven't gotten to yet.
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Post by berkley on Feb 13, 2021 22:37:50 GMT -5
It's very rare - almost never - that I find myself interested in modern superhero comics. Mostly they're doing the movie versions of the characters, and the movies do that better than the comics - even when the movie version is taken from the comics, e.g. Iron Man. I think largely because the movies, if they're well-cast, as the Marvel ones tend to be, can get by on star power and the talent and charisma of the actor, even if the writing is only so-so.
Robert Downey makes the MCU Iron Man work because he's a talented entertainer who's fun to watch do his thing on the big screen. I was able to have a laugh at fat, out of shape, self-pitying Thor in the Avengers movie because the actor sold it to me with his performance - I very much doubt I'd enjoy reading the same character on the comic book page, though (not that they've done that in the comics, to my knowledge, just using it as a hypothetical).
So yeah, if I'm going to read a superhero comic, it's almost certain to be an old one from the 60s or 70s; or possibly a new one from some independent publisher, though even that isn't likely. More likely than I'll read a new Marvel or DC superhero comic though, unless there's some specific interest involved - such as the new Eternals series, which I will probably read eventually because I'm always interested in how that concept is being handled when it's revived evey 10 or 20 years or so.
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Post by Duragizer on Feb 13, 2021 23:18:53 GMT -5
I've pretty much given up on in-continuity comics from the Big Two. I'm not a fan of sliding timelines, interminable reboots, or glorified fanfiction by navelgazing Alan Moore-wannabes.
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