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Post by fanboystranger on Oct 26, 2014 12:05:02 GMT -5
There shouldn't back anything wrong or defective about a source of entertainment offering the same concept if you like it. Starlin is good at killing characters, timelines and universes. Marvel and DC have used him as comic writing mercenary. It's not a surprise his own work reflects the same concepts. I don't think it's a defect in his work anymore than I do AC/DCs music. If what they do is what they do good, then let em do it. See, I don't think he's all that good at it anymore. We're not just talking about some guy who told some average stories; we're talking about one of the true greats in the history of the medium. There may be demand for the same thing over and over, but while I can't fault Jim for it, I always get a little sad when commercial interest seems to overtake artistic imagination (if that's actually what's been going on). That's actually why I'm intrigued by that Thanos OGN to see if he's evolved a bit. Reviews have been mixed.
Unlike AC/DC, who always have and always will rock!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 26, 2014 12:42:29 GMT -5
There shouldn't back anything wrong or defective about a source of entertainment offering the same concept if you like it. Starlin is good at killing characters, timelines and universes. Marvel and DC have used him as comic writing mercenary. It's not a surprise his own work reflects the same concepts. I don't think it's a defect in his work anymore than I do AC/DCs music. If what they do is what they do good, then let em do it. See, I don't think he's all that good at it anymore. We're not just talking about some guy who told some average stories; we're talking about one of the true greats in the history of the medium. There may be demand for the same thing over and over, but while I can't fault Jim for it, I always get a little sad when commercial interest seems to overtake artistic imagination (if that's actually what's been going on). That's actually why I'm intrigued by that Thanos OGN to see if he's evolved a bit. Reviews have been mixed.
Unlike AC/DC, who always have and always will rock!
Oh I agree that Infinty Abyss isn't Infinity Gauntlet. I personally liked Cosmic Guard/Kid Kosmos, but was less than wowed by Death of the New Gods. And I get what your saying about commercialism and artistic imagination, I'm just okay with him doing what it takes to pay the bills cause that's what I've done all my life despite my secular ventures being nothing close to artistic. And I used AC/ DC cause I like em, they're popular but their music and lyrics are pretty much the same repetive formula and no one seems to complain. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2014 13:54:14 GMT -5
There shouldn't back anything wrong or defective about a source of entertainment offering the same concept if you like it. Starlin is good at killing characters, timelines and universes. Marvel and DC have used him as comic writing mercenary. It's not a surprise his own work reflects the same concepts. I don't think it's a defect in his work anymore than I do AC/DCs music. If what they do is what they do good, then let em do it. See, I don't think he's all that good at it anymore. We're not just talking about some guy who told some average stories; we're talking about one of the true greats in the history of the medium. There may be demand for the same thing over and over, but while I can't fault Jim for it, I always get a little sad when commercial interest seems to overtake artistic imagination (if that's actually what's been going on). That's actually why I'm intrigued by that Thanos OGN to see if he's evolved a bit. Reviews have been mixed.
Unlike AC/DC, who always have and always will rock!
For me, Infinity Revelation felt like Starlin had distilled what had been good about his 70s stuff and stripped some of the barnacles off that had accrued in the ensuing decades. It wasn't anything new, but it felt like a purer shot of his best stuff without a lot of the baggage that had built up, and in a sense the story's ending brought Thanos to where he was heading all along, moving him past the loop he had entered in Infinity Gauntlet and been stuck in for 20 years. But that was just me. I basically tell people if you like classic 70s Starlin, you will like Infinity Revelation, but if you don't like that, then you probably won't like Infinity Revelation. -M |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 26, 2014 15:56:41 GMT -5
That's a fair assessment of the Thanos OGN. It did point the major players In a different direction.
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Post by fanboystranger on Oct 26, 2014 21:35:58 GMT -5
See, I don't think he's all that good at it anymore. We're not just talking about some guy who told some average stories; we're talking about one of the true greats in the history of the medium. There may be demand for the same thing over and over, but while I can't fault Jim for it, I always get a little sad when commercial interest seems to overtake artistic imagination (if that's actually what's been going on). That's actually why I'm intrigued by that Thanos OGN to see if he's evolved a bit. Reviews have been mixed.
Unlike AC/DC, who always have and always will rock!
For me, Infinity Revelation felt like Starlin had distilled what had been good about his 70s stuff and stripped some of the barnacles off that had accrued in the ensuing decades. It wasn't anything new, but it felt like a purer shot of his best stuff without a lot of the baggage that had built up, and in a sense the story's ending brought Thanos to where he was heading all along, moving him past the loop he had entered in Infinity Gauntlet and been stuck in for 20 years. But that was just me. I basically tell people if you like classic 70s Starlin, you will like Infinity Revelation, but if you don't like that, then you probably won't like Infinity Revelation. -M Just bought Infintity Revelation on youse guys recommendation. I'll yell at you guys when it comes in.
(Like I said, major fan, but want something different.)
No matter what, better than Civil War.
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Post by berkley on Oct 26, 2014 23:44:48 GMT -5
I think Starlin has been given his New Gods series in the mistaken belief that because his own stories are often on a similarly cosmic scale he was the obvious choice. But the record shows he just has no feel for the concepts or characters at play in Kirby's work. I don't think he's even particularly interested in them, apart from the obvious inspiration he took from Darkseid and perhaps the epic scale of the Fourth World story.
Marvel made a similar mistake with Neil Gaiman - he seemed like the obvious choice to revive the Eternals, given the prominent role mythology plays in some of his fantasy novels, but the result looked much the same as every other post-Kirby Eternals book for the simple reason that they're all concerned more with the MU and fitting the Eternals into it than with the Eternals concept itself.
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 27, 2014 17:27:08 GMT -5
I think Starlin has been given his New Gods series in the mistaken belief that because his own stories are often on a similarly cosmic scale he was the obvious choice. But the record shows he just has no feel for the concepts or characters at play in Kirby's work. I don't think he's even particularly interested in them, apart from the obvious inspiration he took from Darkseid and perhaps the epic scale of the Fourth World story. Marvel made a similar mistake with Neil Gaiman - he seemed like the obvious choice to revive the Eternals, given the prominent role mythology plays in some of his fantasy novels, but the result looked much the same as every other post-Kirby Eternals book for the simple reason that they're all concerned more with the MU and fitting the Eternals into it than with the Eternals concept itself. To be fair, no creator has been able to make The New Gods a success. Not even Kirby. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Oct 28, 2014 11:54:45 GMT -5
I think Starlin has been given his New Gods series in the mistaken belief that because his own stories are often on a similarly cosmic scale he was the obvious choice. But the record shows he just has no feel for the concepts or characters at play in Kirby's work. I don't think he's even particularly interested in them, apart from the obvious inspiration he took from Darkseid and perhaps the epic scale of the Fourth World story. Marvel made a similar mistake with Neil Gaiman - he seemed like the obvious choice to revive the Eternals, given the prominent role mythology plays in some of his fantasy novels, but the result looked much the same as every other post-Kirby Eternals book for the simple reason that they're all concerned more with the MU and fitting the Eternals into it than with the Eternals concept itself. To be fair, no creator has been able to make The New Gods a success. Not even Kirby. A commercial success. I'd argue that Walt Simonson's Orion series was a tremendous creative success. Can't make people buy good comics, though.
I just got a text saying that Infinity Revelation was delivered, so I'll probably give it a read tonight. (Blacksad: Amarillo also got delivered, so that's definitely #1 on my evening reading list.)
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