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Post by shaxper on Nov 5, 2014 10:48:58 GMT -5
I haven't seen North by Northwest, but I don't think it's considered noir. I don't think it being in Technicolor is the reason, though. I tend to think of spy films as a different animal entirely. Then I really don't understand what Noir is.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 5, 2014 10:52:16 GMT -5
What Wikipedia says:
Which still leaves me confused.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 10:58:00 GMT -5
I mean, I haven't seen North by Northwest and and like I said I know noir when I see it, so put little (or better yet no) stock in my stance.
Sin City is bad noir.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 10:59:05 GMT -5
And yeah, Wikipedia isn't very helpful.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 11:04:38 GMT -5
So help me out on this one. What constitutes "Noir"? I've seen many of the films on Jesse412's list, but I wouldn't know how to describe what they have in common beyond the time period and the crime/suspense component. Shax, I suggest you check out or start with the following documentary about noir to help you conceptualize what it is... Film Noir: Bringing Darkness to Light I watched it about 2-3 months ago and it is where my long list of noir films to check out was put together from. Lots of writers and filmmakers talking about noir, clips form lots of great movies, etc. Really helped me to flesh out my understanding of noir. Another great resource is the book Dark City: The Lost World of Film Noir by Eddie Muller. -M
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Post by shaxper on Nov 5, 2014 11:14:20 GMT -5
So help me out on this one. What constitutes "Noir"? I've seen many of the films on Jesse412's list, but I wouldn't know how to describe what they have in common beyond the time period and the crime/suspense component. Shax, I suggest you check out or start with the following documentary about noir to help you conceptualize what it is... Film Noir: Bringing Darkness to Light I watched it about 2-3 months ago and it is where my long list of noir films to check out was put together from. Lots of writers and filmmakers talking about noir, clips form lots of great movies, etc. Really helped me to flesh out my understanding of noir. Another great resource is the book Dark City: The Lost World of Film Noir by Eddie Muller. -M That's very helpful, and I will check those out, but I want to start watching NOW. Are there any hard-fast criteria we could assemble as an easy reference for participants?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 11:26:20 GMT -5
- suspense - twists -"shadowy" - hard men - dames (in hats) - more twists - there are no "winners"
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Post by shaxper on Nov 5, 2014 11:28:52 GMT -5
- suspense - twists -"shadowy" - hard men - dames (in hats) - more twists - there are no "winners" I like this a lot. Two concerns, though: 1. The "no winners" bit eliminates most of Hitchcock. 2. Should crime be a pre-requisite? One of my favorite films, "Witness for the Prosecution" meets most of these requirements, but it's a courtroom drama.
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Post by Jesse on Nov 5, 2014 11:29:13 GMT -5
So help me out on this one. What constitutes "Noir"? I've seen many of the films on Jesse412's list, but I wouldn't know how to describe what they have in common beyond the time period and the crime/suspense component. Shax, I suggest you check out or start with the following documentary about noir to help you conceptualize what it is... Film Noir: Bringing Darkness to Light I watched it about 2-3 months ago and it is where my long list of noir films to check out was put together from. Lots of writers and filmmakers talking about noir, clips form lots of great movies, etc. Really helped me to flesh out my understanding of noir. Another great resource is the book Dark City: The Lost World of Film Noir by Eddie Muller. -M Is this it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 11:30:08 GMT -5
Noir-when the hand of fate gives the character the middle finger no matter what they try to do, just before it reaches out slaps them silly and strangles the life out of them.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 11:30:59 GMT -5
Shax, I suggest you check out or start with the following documentary about noir to help you conceptualize what it is... Film Noir: Bringing Darkness to Light I watched it about 2-3 months ago and it is where my long list of noir films to check out was put together from. Lots of writers and filmmakers talking about noir, clips form lots of great movies, etc. Really helped me to flesh out my understanding of noir. Another great resource is the book Dark City: The Lost World of Film Noir by Eddie Muller. -M Is this it? Yes! -M
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Post by shaxper on Nov 5, 2014 11:31:18 GMT -5
Noir-when the hand of fate gives the character the middle finger no matter what they try to do, just before it reaches out slaps them silly and strangles the life out of them. -M You just described Roman tragedy
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 11:32:55 GMT -5
Noir-when the hand of fate gives the character the middle finger no matter what they try to do, just before it reaches out slaps them silly and strangles the life out of them. -M You just described Roman tragedy Set that at night in an American city and well you might just have a noir formula. -M
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Post by shaxper on Nov 5, 2014 11:35:19 GMT -5
You just described Roman tragedy Set that at night in an American city and well you might just have a noir formula. -M So is Noir a strictly American genre? I'd always associated Hitchcock with it. And I thought it was big in France too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2014 11:40:30 GMT -5
Noir was strongly influenced by European films (some of the great noir directors were European but working in Hollywood), and the movies did well in France, but it is pretty solidly an American film genre at its core. Not that it hasn't influenced others and not that some films haven't taking the trappings of noir, but the overriding theme of noir as so eloquently pointed out by James Ellroy in the opening of that documentary is "you're F----D!"
-M
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