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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 26, 2022 11:44:04 GMT -5
I've recently become aware of what " reshoots " really are. It seems that once a movie is completed, they play it to test audiences and afterwards asks them questions about what they liked and disliked about the film. Depending on the feedback they receive, they might totally reshoot complete sections changing plot points or even endings to movies. They also might add More scenes highlighting certain characters that the audience really liked.
Isn't this cheating ?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 26, 2022 11:54:41 GMT -5
I've recently become aware of what " reshoots " really are. It seems that once a movie is completed, they play it to test audiences and afterwards asks them questions about what they liked and disliked about the film. Depending on the feedback they receive, they might totally reshoot complete sections changing plot points or even endings to movies. They also might add More scenes highlighting certain characters that the audience really liked. Isn't this cheating ? No. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 26, 2022 12:16:26 GMT -5
I've recently become aware of what " reshoots " really are. It seems that once a movie is completed, they play it to test audiences and afterwards asks them questions about what they liked and disliked about the film. Depending on the feedback they receive, they might totally reshoot complete sections changing plot points or even endings to movies. They also might add More scenes highlighting certain characters that the audience really liked. Isn't this cheating ? No. In the comic world I would call you the ant- codystarbuck. He uses 5 paragraphs for a yes or no answer and you use 1 word for a question that requires a deeper discussion. :/ |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jun 26, 2022 12:20:43 GMT -5
I'll expand on Slam's answer. Nope
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 26, 2022 13:04:17 GMT -5
In the comic world I would call you the ant- codystarbuck. He uses 5 paragraphs for a yes or no answer and you use 1 word for a question that requires a deeper discussion. :/ Does it though? There are no rules for making movies. So there’s no cheating. In fact the goal (generally) is to turn a profit. If reshoots help meet that goal then you could argue that not doing them would be breaking the rules and cheating. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 26, 2022 13:06:40 GMT -5
I can't answer the question until I understand what you mean by cheating. Cheating at what? And who's doing the cheating? Film is by its very nature a collaborative artform. It's almost never purely one creator's vision realized, so the scenartio you're describing could be thought of us as the last in a long series of compromises on the journey from initial idea to feature film. So are you criticizing the producers? The director? The editors? The test audience?
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I summon the elaboration!
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 26, 2022 13:30:30 GMT -5
The way I see it, the screenplay is written and filmed. It should stay that way as a finished product. A comic is done and printed without test audiences. I always thought movies were the same.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 26, 2022 13:41:38 GMT -5
The way I see it, the screenplay is written and filmed. It should stay that way as a finished product. A comic is done and printed without test audiences. I always thought movies were the same. Except that screenplays are changed all the time during filming. And before filming. Changes are made from the screenplay to the shooting script. Changes are made as the director is blocking out the action and finding their vision of the piece. You’re trying to elevate the screenwriter above everyone else in an intensely collaborative medium. |
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Post by Calidore on Jun 26, 2022 14:35:12 GMT -5
The way I see it, the screenplay is written and filmed. It should stay that way as a finished product. A comic is done and printed without test audiences. I always thought movies were the same. Except that screenplays are changed all the time during filming. And before filming. Changes are made from the screenplay to the shooting script. Changes are made as the director is blocking out the action and finding their vision of the piece. You’re trying to elevate the screenwriter above everyone else in an intensely collaborative medium.
Plus, things can happen during filming that necessitate changes. Significant things like actor injuries (or worse), prop malfunctions, problems on location, etc. Or minor stuff like a character point invented by or an ad-lib by an actor that the director loves and makes canon. Movies are always moving behind the scenes too.
If anything, I would say cheating is the reverse. Say, a creator making changes without audience testing that most of the audience abhors, and then ignoring said feedback and withholding the original seemingly out of spite. Not naming any names. (A creator's right to play with their own ball however they choose is a separate discussion.)
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 26, 2022 16:55:27 GMT -5
I've recently become aware of what " reshoots " really are. It seems that once a movie is completed, they play it to test audiences and afterwards asks them questions about what they liked and disliked about the film. Depending on the feedback they receive, they might totally reshoot complete sections changing plot points or even endings to movies. They also might add More scenes highlighting certain characters that the audience really liked. Isn't this cheating ? I'd call it fine-tuning, meself. It can be done for commercial reasons, of course, after seeing how a test audience reacts... but it's also done because the director isn't satisfied with the final cut, and can't edit the film without some new material. When it's a film made by committee, of course, I guess anything goes... including changing a film depending on where it will be show;, or adding a scene because Pepsi just wrote a big check. I don't expect much artistic integrity from Pirates of the Fast and Furious Wars 5 anyway!  |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 26, 2022 17:19:55 GMT -5
Reshoots/revisions have saved a lot of movies.
For instance,I shudder to think about what Jaws would have been if Spielberg hadn't decided to ditch the rubber shark and reshoot the scenes to show it as little as possible. So much of the tension that makes that film work comes from that decision that I can't imagine it in its original form.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 26, 2022 17:21:12 GMT -5
In the comic world I would call you the ant- codystarbuck. He uses 5 paragraphs for a yes or no answer and you use 1 word for a question that requires a deeper discussion. :/  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 17:22:04 GMT -5
I've recently become aware of what " reshoots " really are. It seems that once a movie is completed, they play it to test audiences and afterwards asks them questions about what they liked and disliked about the film. Depending on the feedback they receive, they might totally reshoot complete sections changing plot points or even endings to movies. They also might add More scenes highlighting certain characters that the audience really liked. Isn't this cheating ? In the truest sense of the word, no. Not in the same way that one might cheat at poker or Scrabble. But I don’t like it. I don’t think much stock should be put in test audiences. Make your film, do what you need to, get someone to edit it, etc. Then, as Picard said in Encounter at Farpoint, “If we’re going to be damned, let’s be damned for what we are.” I’m not arguing against collaboration - and a director listening to creative people. Ad-libbing, for instance, is fun. But once the movie is completed, and nothing will ever be perfect, let it stand on its own merits. Don’t change it because a relatively small number of audience members didn’t like it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2022 17:22:50 GMT -5
The way I see it, the screenplay is written and filmed. It should stay that way as a finished product. A comic is done and printed without test audiences. I always thought movies were the same. When I’m World President, that’ll be signed into law. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 26, 2022 17:23:04 GMT -5
Like anything, it depends on the reasoning behind the move and the end result. Re-editing and reshooting have saved some films. In other cases, it didn't matter because the end result still stunk. I think it is better if you can fix it in the editing, rather than having to resort to re-shoots. Often, the energy doesn't match the original footage. Reshoots or shooting additional material has helped films, such as raiders of the Lost Ark, where Marcia Lucas spoke up and said it was a big mistake that Marion disappeared from the film, as originally edited. Spielberg saw the wisdom of what she was saying and quickly shot the scene of Indy and Marion meeting outside, then going off together. Major League originally ended with a reveal that the team owner had actually manipulated the situation to produce a winning team and save the ballclub, rather than the presented idea that she was an evil witch who was trying to tank the team so she could move it to someplace better than Cleveland. Test crowds hated it and crapped all over it. They edited that out and kept her as the villain, until the end and it was a big hit. Superman 2 had to reshoot because of Marlon Brando's lawsuit against the Salkinds, and replaced Jor-El with Lara for the scene where Superman consults the crystals for guidance about his love of Lois. The Donner Cut shows the previous footage (what had been recorded, with some CGI to enhance it, since Brando hadn't recorded the whole scene). There, that's 5.  |
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