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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 31, 2022 14:16:17 GMT -5
I haven't watched this show or the last 3 or so shows involving the MCU. Since they took Iron man and Cap off the table and made Thor a joke, I don't care as much. To be fair, it was Robert Downey, Jr. and Chris Evans that took Iron Man and Cap off the table. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 31, 2022 14:23:08 GMT -5
I’m not assigning blame but none of the characters remaining do it for me.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Aug 31, 2022 14:34:10 GMT -5
I’m not assigning blame but none of the characters remaining do it for me. Not even Hawkeye? Hawkeye's cool! The ones I really want back are Daredevil and Luke Cage. I think the first one will be back, but I'm not sure about the second. |
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Post by zaku on Sept 1, 2022 1:00:14 GMT -5
I'm reading the page about Sokovia Accords and they explicitely said that an enhanced individual who breaks the law can be detained indefinitely without trial. They are still valid?!?! |
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Post by zaku on Sept 1, 2022 5:10:11 GMT -5
I was thinking that "enhanced" villains in the MCU are incredible rare. And usually: - They are dead at the end of the movie/tv show
- They are aliens, I don't even know if US law applies here.
- They are world-conquering villains and if they caught alive they are usually put in some black site.
and I think one counts on the fingers of one hand super villains dedicated to "common crimes". Even MCU Spider-Man enemies are normal humans with some super-tech equipment. So my point is: - People in the MCU do even realize that there are bad super-people waiting for a trial?
- There is a sufficient number of them for one to need a specialized department of a Law Firm (which operates in a SINGLE city)?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 1, 2022 5:38:53 GMT -5
I'm reading the page about Sokovia Accords and they explicitely said that an enhanced individual who breaks the law can be detained indefinitely without trial. They are still valid?!?! No idea, but I can see how that could be challenged in court as being unconstitutional. Emil wasn't held in Guantanamo, he was on US soil... so demanding a lawyer was the way to go. She-Hulk's employer may have decided that superhuman law is a burgeoning field, and wants to dominate the niche before other firms do. |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 1, 2022 19:38:33 GMT -5
Yikes. Tonight's episode was not good. I've been a pretty passionate defender of the first two episodes, but pretty much everything went wrong with this one.
1. Somehow, the special effects got worse. She-Hulk now looks like something out of The Sims. It was so distracting that I struggled to follow the dialogue and plot while watching her surreal not-quite-life-like movements.
2. There is zero plot. All this time, I've been waiting to figure out what the overarching plot of this series is, but there is none. It's a sitcom, only we've been given no reason to emotionally invest in the characters. Even Jen's goal to return to a normal life seems to have gone out the window at this point, so there is no internal struggle and no reason for us to cheer for her.
3. the B plot involving a colleague I barely remember from last episode and the one-dimensional chauvenist he represents has no right to demand our attention for half the episode. Sure, the changeling elf was kind of funny, but that didn't justify the time investment.
4. There was zero conflict for Jen. She needs to figure out why Blonske escaped from prison, so Wong shows up and provides the perfect alibi. Then she worries he won't show up at court, but he does. There were no real complications, nor any opportunities for Jen to show her skills as a lawyer. Nothing about this conflict interested me nor encouraged me to like/root for Jen any further than I did in the first two episodes.
5. All in all, this episode tried harder for laughs and was somehow less funny.
I'll still keep watching, I think. It's still fun, but the quality has definitely dropped considerably.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2022 20:29:49 GMT -5
Yikes. Tonight's episode was not good. I've been a pretty passionate defender of the first two episodes, but pretty much everything went wrong with this one. 1. Somehow, the special effects got worse. She-Hulk now looks like something out of The Sims. It was so distracting that I struggled to follow the dialogue and plot while watching her surreal not-quite-life-like movements. 2. There is zero plot. All this time, I've been waiting to figure out what the overarching plot of this series is, but there is none. It's a sitcom, only we've been given no reason to emotionally invest in the characters. Even Jen's goal to return to a normal life seems to have gone out the window at this point, so there is no internal struggle and no reason for us to cheer for her. 3. the B plot involving a colleague I barely remember from last episode and the one-dimensional chauvenist he represents has no right to demand our attention for half the episode. Sure, the changeling elf was kind of funny, but that didn't justify the time investment. 4. There was zero conflict for Jen. She needs to figure out why Blonske escaped from prison, so Wong shows up and provides the perfect alibi. Then she worries he won't show up at court, but he does. There were no real complications, nor any opportunities for Jen to show her skills as a lawyer. Nothing about this conflict interested me nor encouraged me to like/root for Jen any further than I did in the first two episodes. 5. All in all, this episode tried harder for laughs and was somehow less funny. I'll still keep watching, I think. It's still fun, but the quality has definitely dropped considerably. Hmm, I thought it was a brilliant satirical skewering of toxic masculinity and toxic fandom and both my wife and I thought it was laugh out loud funny through most of the episode. And I find I am absorbed in the characters and story and rarely if ever even notice the CGI, mostly because that's not why I am watching so I don't care to notice it, paying attention to it at all would already have me out of the story whether it was spectacular or terrible, I'd be watching the CGI not the show/story/characters. -M |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 2, 2022 9:07:12 GMT -5
Yikes. Tonight's episode was not good. I've been a pretty passionate defender of the first two episodes, but pretty much everything went wrong with this one. 1. Somehow, the special effects got worse. She-Hulk now looks like something out of The Sims. It was so distracting that I struggled to follow the dialogue and plot while watching her surreal not-quite-life-like movements. 2. There is zero plot. All this time, I've been waiting to figure out what the overarching plot of this series is, but there is none. It's a sitcom, only we've been given no reason to emotionally invest in the characters. Even Jen's goal to return to a normal life seems to have gone out the window at this point, so there is no internal struggle and no reason for us to cheer for her. 3. the B plot involving a colleague I barely remember from last episode and the one-dimensional chauvenist he represents has no right to demand our attention for half the episode. Sure, the changeling elf was kind of funny, but that didn't justify the time investment. 4. There was zero conflict for Jen. She needs to figure out why Blonske escaped from prison, so Wong shows up and provides the perfect alibi. Then she worries he won't show up at court, but he does. There were no real complications, nor any opportunities for Jen to show her skills as a lawyer. Nothing about this conflict interested me nor encouraged me to like/root for Jen any further than I did in the first two episodes. 5. All in all, this episode tried harder for laughs and was somehow less funny. I'll still keep watching, I think. It's still fun, but the quality has definitely dropped considerably. There were a few scenes as She-Hulk at the start where the animation was definitely off, her hair especially looked(for lack of a better term) plasticy. The scene at the end with her on the news was definitely better though. At the end of the day though the inconsistencies don't really bother me, the effects are more than good enough to convey the performance and that's all that's really required. I know a seven foot tall green woman isn't real and while top tier effects may make her look more realistic they're not going to fool me so all that remains is if the effects given are effective in telling the story; she could be a two dimensional cartoon and it wouldn't faze me one bit as long as the character was able to clearly emote and move the story forward and though not top tier in some places the representation still fulfills that role. As for the plot itself, it's definitely lighter than what we've seen so far...but so was the comic it was based on. I could see being disappointed if one was expecting a more serious, introspective story but Slott's run was never that and I don't think the trailers promised that kind of story either. If that's not you're thing, fair enough but a light hearted, romp is fine enough by me. |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 2, 2022 10:24:18 GMT -5
At the end of the day though the inconsistencies don't really bother me, the effects are more than good enough to convey the performance and that's all that's really required. I know a seven foot tall green woman isn't real and while top tier effects may make her look more realistic they're not going to fool me so all that remains is if the effects given are effective in telling the story; she could be a two dimensional cartoon and it wouldn't faze me one bit as long as the character was able to clearly emote and move the story forward and though not top tier in some places the representation still fulfills that role. As for the plot itself, it's definitely lighter than what we've seen so far...but so was the comic it was based on. I could see being disappointed if one was expecting a more serious, introspective story but Slott's run was never that and I don't think the trailers promised that kind of story either. If that's not you're thing, fair enough but a light hearted, romp is fine enough by me. I think it definitely qualifies as "good enough," but it certainly wasn't as strong as it was at the start. If this were a particularly good legal drama (I'm getting the sense these writers know even less about the legal system than I do) or a particularly endearing sitcom (we have zero attachment to most of these characters. I'm not even sure I can name a single personality trait for Jen's paralegal best friend), I wouldn't mind the horrible cg so much, but as neither are really knocking it out of the ballpark, I'd at least like to watch this show to see She-Hulk and, for a fraction of a second, believe she is real. Otherwise, I can just spend my time reading the comics. Tatiana Maslany is thoroughly likeable, and I think that's the only reason I'll continue to watch at this point. Tim Roth was fantastic too, but we appear to be done with him now. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Sept 2, 2022 10:34:34 GMT -5
THey did market it as a SitCom... they are not known for their plots. I still have to watch Ms. Marvel, too, just not feeling it. Soon.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Sept 2, 2022 11:54:51 GMT -5
At the end of the day though the inconsistencies don't really bother me, the effects are more than good enough to convey the performance and that's all that's really required. I know a seven foot tall green woman isn't real and while top tier effects may make her look more realistic they're not going to fool me so all that remains is if the effects given are effective in telling the story; she could be a two dimensional cartoon and it wouldn't faze me one bit as long as the character was able to clearly emote and move the story forward and though not top tier in some places the representation still fulfills that role. As for the plot itself, it's definitely lighter than what we've seen so far...but so was the comic it was based on. I could see being disappointed if one was expecting a more serious, introspective story but Slott's run was never that and I don't think the trailers promised that kind of story either. If that's not you're thing, fair enough but a light hearted, romp is fine enough by me. I think it definitely qualifies as "good enough," but it certainly wasn't as strong as it was at the start. If this were a particularly good legal drama (I'm getting the sense these writers know even less about the legal system than I do) or a particularly endearing sitcom (we have zero attachment to most of these characters. I'm not even sure I can name a single personality trait for Jen's paralegal best friend), I wouldn't mind the horrible cg so much, but as neither are really knocking it out of the ballpark, I'd at least like to watch this show to see She-Hulk and, for a fraction of a second, believe she is real. Otherwise, I can just spend my time reading the comics. Tatiana Maslany is thoroughly likeable, and I think that's the only reason I'll continue to watch at this point. Tim Roth was fantastic too, but we appear to be done with him now. I almost think it's just a problem with animating the up-due for some reason. I was watching a clip again from the end where she first walks in to talk to Megan the Stallion and she has her hair up again and it looked too stiff but then when it went back to her twerking and her hair was down again it wasn't noticeable. I think what harms the series the most as far as liking the characters is just how short the episodes are; they're listed as 30 min. but a good chunk of that is end credits and the intro so in actuality we're only really getting like 15-20 min of actual story time and with that kind of run time you really can't get much more than quirky friend and chauvinistic co-worker. From my money it definitely scratches the right itch of goofy fun so I'm more than happy with it. |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 2, 2022 12:02:39 GMT -5
I think it definitely qualifies as "good enough," but it certainly wasn't as strong as it was at the start. If this were a particularly good legal drama (I'm getting the sense these writers know even less about the legal system than I do) or a particularly endearing sitcom (we have zero attachment to most of these characters. I'm not even sure I can name a single personality trait for Jen's paralegal best friend), I wouldn't mind the horrible cg so much, but as neither are really knocking it out of the ballpark, I'd at least like to watch this show to see She-Hulk and, for a fraction of a second, believe she is real. Otherwise, I can just spend my time reading the comics. Tatiana Maslany is thoroughly likeable, and I think that's the only reason I'll continue to watch at this point. Tim Roth was fantastic too, but we appear to be done with him now. I almost think it's just a problem with animating the up-due for some reason. I was watching a clip again from the end where she first walks in to talk to Megan the Stallion and she has her hair up again and it looked too stiff but then when it went back to her twerking and her hair was down again it wasn't noticeable. I think what harms the series the most as far as liking the characters is just how short the episodes are; they're listed as 30 min. but a good chunk of that is end credits and the intro so in actuality we're only really getting like 15-20 min of actual story time and with that kind of run time you really can't get much more than quirky friend and chauvinistic co-worker. From my money it definitely scratches the right itch of goofy fun so I'm more than happy with it. If run-time is the issue, they should have skipped a b plot we were mostly uninvested in and instead given Jen an actual conflict in this episode. Blonske and Wang basically do all the work for her while she stands there and smiles awkwardly. The Asgardian elf was a fun idea, but then make it Jen's case and force her to work once again with the dirtbag she cannot stand. That would have made for good conflict and characterization. We had zero reason to root for her colleague, who we basically don't know. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2022 14:43:10 GMT -5
I almost think it's just a problem with animating the up-due for some reason. I was watching a clip again from the end where she first walks in to talk to Megan the Stallion and she has her hair up again and it looked too stiff but then when it went back to her twerking and her hair was down again it wasn't noticeable. I think what harms the series the most as far as liking the characters is just how short the episodes are; they're listed as 30 min. but a good chunk of that is end credits and the intro so in actuality we're only really getting like 15-20 min of actual story time and with that kind of run time you really can't get much more than quirky friend and chauvinistic co-worker. From my money it definitely scratches the right itch of goofy fun so I'm more than happy with it. If run-time is the issue, they should have skipped a b plot we were mostly uninvested in and instead given Jen an actual conflict in this episode. Blonske and Wang basically do all the work for her while she stands there and smiles awkwardly. The Asgardian elf was a fun idea, but then make it Jen's case and force her to work once again with the dirtbag she cannot stand. That would have made for good conflict and characterization. We had zero reason to root for her colleague, who we basically don't know. The B plot is what hammered home the point of the whole satire of the episode, with the client being the horse's ass that exemplified the type of toxicity that they were skewering. The episode's efficacy as satire would have been much less without the presence of the B plot to put the spotlight on the behaviors they were satirizing. -M |
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Post by shaxper on Sept 2, 2022 16:00:36 GMT -5
If run-time is the issue, they should have skipped a b plot we were mostly uninvested in and instead given Jen an actual conflict in this episode. Blonske and Wang basically do all the work for her while she stands there and smiles awkwardly. The Asgardian elf was a fun idea, but then make it Jen's case and force her to work once again with the dirtbag she cannot stand. That would have made for good conflict and characterization. We had zero reason to root for her colleague, who we basically don't know. The B plot is what hammered home the point of the whole satire of the episode, with the client being the horse's ass that exemplified the type of toxicity that they were skewering. The episode's efficacy as satire would have been much less without the presence of the B plot to put the spotlight on the behaviors they were satirizing. -M Then we needed a reason to root for the colleague representing the dirt bag. We barely know him and had zero reason to root for him. |
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