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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2023 10:26:41 GMT -5
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Post by EdoBosnar on Oct 2, 2023 10:52:44 GMT -5
(...) It’s a shame we’ll never get a Star Trek/Star Wars crossover. Who wouldn’t want to see Spock put the Vulcan nerve pinch on Vader? I'd accept nothing less than a Star Trek (TOS/Star Wars/Battlestar Galactica (original TV series) cross-over. Back in the day, my older brother and I used to conjecture how awesome that would have been. The signature scene would have Spock on the deck of the Galactica, looking at the Death Star on a viewscreen and saying, "Fascinating!" |
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Post by rberman on Oct 2, 2023 12:27:19 GMT -5
Here's something I thought Marvel did that was rather brilliant when it came to not being trapped in continuity chaos. In 2000 they had a notion to do a little thing called Ultimate Spider-Man. It was fresh, it got attention, it got sales. But they knew they had an audience still with the traditional Spidey books (I was one of the them). No continuity-shattering event, no Crisis or Inferno/Heroes Reborn jarring reset of things. They just threw the Ultimate stuff out there in addition, and it did pretty well, expanded to more titles, had a nice run (gave us Miles Morales!). As has been mentioned here, choice is certainly good. DC has been doing all sorts of continuity-free stories as well. The "main" Harley Quinn is the zany murderous one. But simultaneously Stjepan Seijic put out Harleen which depicted her as a lovelorn psychologist who falls under the spell of her charismatic patient.  And simultaneous to both of those was the chilling Joker/Harley: Criminal Sanity series, a police procedural with Joker as a humorless serial killer and Harleen as a forensic detective, with absolutely no romance between the two, either comic or tragic.  Readers have no problem distinguishing between the three Harleys; continuity would have been an encumbrance. |
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Post by zaku on Oct 2, 2023 15:25:11 GMT -5
Readers have no problem distinguishing between the three Harleys; continuity would have been an encumbrance. It's a kind of natural selection you know. After decades of Crises, retcons and reboots only the most resilient readers remained!!! |
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 2, 2023 16:22:04 GMT -5
Readers have no problem distinguishing between the three Harleys; continuity would have been an encumbrance. It's a kind of natural selection you know. After decades of Crises, retcons and reboots only the most resilient readers remained!!! "Resilient" is sure a funny way of spelling "masochistic."
Cei-U! Just sayin'!
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Post by Calidore on Oct 2, 2023 19:18:19 GMT -5
I wish every film series or comic universe could have that choice. I am not the biggest fan of modern James Bond. Making Daniel Craig’s films a prequel to the other Bond films (which makes zero sense if you watch the last film) was a lame decision, especially as they made Judi Dench his M; how could she be M when she came later in the timeline, first appearing in Pierce Brosnan’s GoldenEye? Simple--same actor, different M. |
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Post by zaku on Oct 3, 2023 1:10:27 GMT -5
It's a kind of natural selection you know. After decades of Crises, retcons and reboots only the most resilient readers remained!!! "Resilient" is sure a funny way of spelling "masochistic."
Cei-U! Just sayin'!
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Post by berkley on Oct 3, 2023 19:58:16 GMT -5
(...) It’s a shame we’ll never get a Star Trek/Star Wars crossover. Who wouldn’t want to see Spock put the Vulcan nerve pinch on Vader? I'd accept nothing less than a Star Trek (TOS/Star Wars/Battlestar Galactica (original TV series) cross-over. Back in the day, my older brother and I used to conjecture how awesome that would have been. The signature scene would have Spock on the deck of the Galactica, looking at the Death Star on a viewscreen and saying, "Fascinating!"
Given some of the nerd-talk I've seen about the viability of the Death Star, perhaps he'd use another of his catch-phrases, "Highly illogical!"
More seriously, I don't really see the appeal of this kind of thing: to me, the ambience of these fictional worlds is too different and putting them together would mean one or both would have to suffer. But then, I feel the same way about having Spider-Man fight Dracula.
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 4, 2023 7:04:41 GMT -5
To be honest, my crossover ideas are deliberately facetious or stupid.
For instance, I want Insidious and The Conjuring to cross over, just so Patrick Wilson’s Ed Warren can meet Patrick Wilson’s Josh Lambert.
Now, let me tell you about my idea for a crossover between Thunderbirds and The Prisoner, where Number Six puts in a call to International Rescue and requests that they rescue him from The Village…
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Post by zaku on Oct 4, 2023 7:26:29 GMT -5
What about other publishers' mega-cross-ever-continuity-shattering events? I vaguely remember that Valiant and Image had them too, just few years they started publishing!
What continuity they had to clean-up?!?
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 4, 2023 7:45:17 GMT -5
More seriously, I don't really see the appeal of this kind of thing: to me, the ambience of these fictional worlds is too different and putting them together would mean one or both would have to suffer. I agree: it the worst of nerdy impulses to slap together crossovers with properties inherently so dissimilar that any attempted blending either whittles down the strengths of the individual property, or some will lean heavily on stereotypes about characters or situations. Sci-fi movie and TV crossovers suffer from this more than any other, as seen in the Star Trek / Planet of the Apes comics. At least with some costumed character crossovers, the interest is in some similarity of behavior, method, or perhaps they resent each other because of said similarities (they never admit to), but they're still in largely compatible worlds, not night-and-day universes where their base mechanics and functionality such as POTA, Star Trek or Star Wars cannot work with each other, leaving only the extremes of silly, forced fanboy nonsense. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 8:01:06 GMT -5
I hear you guys, but...there was no way I was passing on this one:  To me picking out comics to enjoy is really simple: if I see the cover and go "oh that's cool", I read it. |
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Post by driver1980 on Oct 4, 2023 8:09:40 GMT -5
More seriously, I don't really see the appeal of this kind of thing: to me, the ambience of these fictional worlds is too different and putting them together would mean one or both would have to suffer. I agree: it the worst of nerdy impulses to slap together crossovers with properties inherently so dissimilar that any attempted blending either whittles down the strengths of the individual property, or some will lean heavily on stereotypes about characters or situations. Sci-fi movie and TV crossovers suffer from this more than any other, as seen in the Star Trek / Planet of the Apes comics. At least with some costumed character crossovers, the interest is in some similarity of behavior, method, or perhaps they resent each other because of said similarities (they never admit to), but they're still in largely compatible worlds, not night-and-day universes where their base mechanics and functionality such as POTA, Star Trek or Star Wars cannot work with each other, leaving only the extremes of silly, forced fanboy nonsense. I believe there’s a lot of merit in what you say, tarkintino, but I suppose a profound question comes to mind: is fanboy nonsense necessarily a bad thing? In my opinion, it should be done sparingly. I don’t want ten Star Trek/POTA crossovers, but one is fine (I thought that worked quite well, especially the ending, which tied into the second POTA movie). It depends on one’s mood. Would Spock putting the Vulcan nerve pinch on Boba Fett be fanboy nonsense? Yes, in a literal sense. Would I still pick up a Spock vs. Boba one-shot? Yes, if the writers and art appealed to me. I suppose the food analogy may work: 95% of what I eat is nutritious and healthy, I believe in a proper diet. But no more than twice a year, I’ll eat fast food. So for me, the “fast food” of comics are those crossovers which will be ‘fanboy nonsense’. And it’ll probably uplift me. But I do respect the fact that people’s preferences and mileage varies. I, personally, am not interested in any crossovers between superheroes and Looney Tunes characters. Others might be. I don’t want crossovers to be the norm. But I certainly am in the mood for Galactus VS The Daleks.  |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2023 8:48:23 GMT -5
Ok, here's my take on Star Wars/Star Trek:
The scene starts like a typical Star Trek TNG episode opening (or could use the original series group instead of course):
A seemingly quiet moment on the bridge, Picard is engaging in some light banter with the command crew. Suddenly a space anomaly pops up out of nowhere, and the Enterprise is drawn in. Number One shouts for evasive maneuvers, but Data replies "evasive maneuvers not possible Commander, the ship cannot break free and retain integrity."
After a jarring moment including a strong flash of light, all is suddenly calm again and they appear to be in tranquil space.
Picard says, "Mr. Data where are we?"
Data replies, "Captain, I believe the question is 'when are we'. The anomaly appears to have been temporal in nature, we appear to have traveled a great distance into the past."
Impatiently, Picard says, "How far into the past? What year is it? And blast it Data, where are we?!"
Close-up on Mr. Data who turns to face Picard: "Captain, according to sensor readings, we are now 761 years in the past. Location, unknown."
Dramatic pause as Picard and the command crew absorb all of this.
They begin to dicuss options when all of a sudden an alarm sounds.
Unnamed helmsman says, "There is a ship coming into range off of starboard. They are hailing us sir."
Picard says, "Onscreen."
They are greeted by a uniformed blue-skinned man with a calm but strong bearing who announces, "Greetings, I am Grand Admiral Thrawn of the Galactic Empire. Please state your business in the Outer Rim and if you require assistance."
Dramatic exchange of looks between Picard and Riker. And so it proceeds from there.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 4, 2023 10:34:05 GMT -5
I'm glad Data stayed in character and gave an accurate assessment instead of a vague "a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away"!
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