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Post by driver1980 on Feb 2, 2024 5:33:18 GMT -5
I’ll be disappointed if Slam_Bradley doesn’t have a humorous comment ready for me if he reads this topic. The idea for this topic came to me after reading the latest Superman Homepage newsletter. I believe it’s a fool’s errand to try and work out what is canonical in DC now (I expect we’ll see another Crisis] next year). Suffice to say, I know explanations about Superman’s costume have changed over time. I’m open to clarifications and corrections, but most, if not all, explain that his costume is invulnerable due to its extraterrestrial origins, with the cape not being as robust due to its earthly origins. (I cannot remember whether Dean Cain’s Superman had a costume with any invulnerability, of if it was made entirely by Martha) But haven’t there been stories where the costume was earthly in origin, but a bio-electric aura (or some such designation) was used to protect it? Do we really need such an explanation? Isn’t simply making it Kryptonian in origin enough? This leads me to a wider point: over-complicating things, which possibly could have started - at least at Marvel - with the OHOTMU. I’m sure DC isn’t blameless, either. Fact is, for me, and I suspect others, less is more. Keep it simple. I can enjoy Frankenstein without too deep an explanation as to how he was brought about. A megalomaniac Dr. Frankenstein and his use of lightning is enough for me. I don’t feel like I require more. At times, technobabble is enough for me. I bet a scientist could pick apart some of the technobabble in Star Trek, but it’s not needed. Data or La Forge going on about “dilithium crystals” and “tachyon particles” is enough for me. If mention of either of those moves a story forward, I’m fine with that. A semi-realistic explanation is better than no explanation at all, and I feel it’s better than an over-complicated one. So, on a personal level, all I feel I need to know is that Superman’s outfit is invulnerable due to its Kryptonian origin. I really don’t feel any value is added by explanations pertaining to a “bio-electric aura” or some such thing.
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Post by rberman on Feb 2, 2024 9:09:04 GMT -5
It helps, because Superman often carries regular people at incredibly high speed too, and some hand-waving semblance of an explanation helps our suspension of disbelief. Walt Disney called it the “plausible impossible.”
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Post by driver1980 on Feb 2, 2024 9:14:34 GMT -5
It helps, because Superman often carries regular people at incredibly high speed too, and some hand-waving semblance of an explanation helps our suspension of disbelief. Walt Disney called it the “plausible impossible.” Everyone’s mileage will vary, but I don’t feel I ever needed to know how Superman was carrying people at high speed, just like I didn’t need to think or care about the physics of him carrying a car into the air, or thinking about how heroes fly and are able to find geographic locations easily.
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Post by Chris on Feb 2, 2024 9:53:35 GMT -5
...most, if not all, explain that his costume is invulnerable due to its extraterrestrial origins, with the cape not being as robust due to its earthly origins. ...But haven’t there been stories where the costume was earthly in origin, but a bio-electric aura (or some such designation) was used to protect it? It's the other way around. The old reasoning was that the costume and cape were indestructible because they came from Krypton, while the 80's revision had it so the costume and cape were made on Earth, but since Superman's invulnerability came from that bio-electric field, the costume was protected, but the cape extended outside the field and got ripped up a lot. Of course, this could have all changed since the early 90's when I mostly stopped reading Superman titles. And as for whether the explanation is necessary, I always thought the bio-electric field idea was overcomplicated and arbitrary. And as Shaxper pointed out in his Superman thread, the question has been raised, if nothing can get through the field, how does Superman eat or breathe? The explanation answers one question but in the process raises many more.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2024 10:35:41 GMT -5
If you just recognize that it's all inherently silly and makes no sense and that any attempt to try and make it make sense just makes it sillier, you're much better off.
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Post by driver1980 on Feb 2, 2024 10:54:30 GMT -5
If you just recognize that it's all inherently silly and makes no sense and that any attempt to try and make it make sense just makes it sillier, you're much better off. Absolutely! I’m not saying all logic should go out of the window, for instance it’d be silly if a criminal character hid a car inside a phone box to avoid the police, as that wouldn’t match reality on any level. But I don’t need to think about the physics of flight, or where the Hulk’s mass goes when he changes back to Banner. I do feel OHOTMU did play a part - just a slight part - in making such pedantry necessary. It’s why I preferred DC’s Who Who, as that seemed a more accessible fact file, which didn’t get bogged down in science.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 2, 2024 11:33:49 GMT -5
If you just recognize that it's all inherently silly and makes no sense and that any attempt to try and make it make sense just makes it sillier, you're much better off. Do you have to make fun of EVERYTHING?!
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2024 12:29:16 GMT -5
If you just recognize that it's all inherently silly and makes no sense and that any attempt to try and make it make sense just makes it sillier, you're much better off. Do you have to make fun of EVERYTHING?! Yes. Even your Mom. HA!!!
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 2, 2024 12:38:42 GMT -5
Do you have to make fun of EVERYTHING?! Yes. Even your Mom. HA!!! Funny. My...mom... >sniff<...always... spoke... highly... of... you. >sniff<
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2024 12:59:48 GMT -5
Yes. Even your Mom. HA!!! Funny. My...mom... >sniff<...always... spoke... highly... of... you. >sniff<She always did like me best. (R.I.P. Tommy Smothers)
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Post by MDG on Feb 2, 2024 16:35:30 GMT -5
Yes. Even your Mom. HA!!! Funny. My...mom... >sniff<...always... spoke... highly... of... you. >sniff<Aren't both your moms named Martha?
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2024 16:36:40 GMT -5
Funny. My...mom... >sniff<...always... spoke... highly... of... you. >sniff<Aren't both your moms named Martha? Marthaaaaaa!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2024 18:43:22 GMT -5
I don't bother to ask questions like this, when no one can seem to answer the easiest one of all. How come no one recognises Clark Kent is Superman? Do glasses really make him that obscure?
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 2, 2024 18:58:29 GMT -5
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2024 18:59:15 GMT -5
Because the writer and editor say so.
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