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Post by james on Mar 2, 2024 13:03:37 GMT -5
I was speaking to a friend who was telling me he picked up DD storyline Born Again and how excited he was to read it. Born Again is to be the next MCU storyline. I didn’t want to crap on his excitement but I have never understood the praise of this storyline.. So much so that I am rereading it because it’s been years and maybe I’ll see it differently. Which makes me wonder is there a storyline, or single issue that got accolades that just didn’t resonate with you?
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 2, 2024 13:16:11 GMT -5
Born Again is to be the next MCU storyline. Bad screenwriting loves company, and the MCU is quite overpopulated in that category. Most 1980s X-Men arcs. I'd argue various runs in that period are among the most overrated in comic book history. Civil War: predictable and politically juvenile version of a What If? story.
The introduction of the symbiote costume / all things Venom.
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Post by james on Mar 2, 2024 13:51:42 GMT -5
Born Again is to be the next MCU storyline. Bad screenwriting loves company, and the MCU is quite overpopulated in that category. Most 1980s X-Men arcs. I'd argue various runs in that period are among the most overrated in comic book history. Civil War: predictable and politically juvenile version of a What If? story.
The introduction of the symbiote costume / all things Venom.
Did you like 154-168? Other than probably being about 5 issues too long I l thought it was pretty good |
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Post by chadwilliam on Mar 2, 2024 13:54:56 GMT -5
Kingdom Come.
Batman Beyond.
Christian Bale's Batman.
O'Neil and Adams Green Lantern/Green Arrow run.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 2, 2024 13:58:35 GMT -5
Kingdom Come. Batman Beyond. Christian Bale's Batman. O'Neil and Adams Green Lantern/Green Arrow run. I'm with you on Kingdom Come. I love it for reasons external to the comic...but I find it almost unreadable. O'Neil & Adams' GL/GA is a "you had to be there" thing. It was absolutely ground-breaking at the time...and for some time after. I used to love it. I now find most of the writing to be utterly cringe-worthy. It's still pretty though...if you get the originals as opposed to Adams' re-drawing bastardization. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2024 14:12:58 GMT -5
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Post by james on Mar 2, 2024 14:23:57 GMT -5
Kingdom Come. Batman Beyond. Christian Bale's Batman. O'Neil and Adams Green Lantern/Green Arrow run. I think this is going to make me revisit a few runs. Kingdom Come will be one. Christian Bale’s Batman is overrated for me too. Though I did love O’Neill/Adams. I think it was one of the first DC comic runs I read having grown up with Marvel. |
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Post by james on Mar 2, 2024 15:19:22 GMT -5
Bad screenwriting loves company, and the MCU is quite overpopulated in that category. Most 1980s X-Men arcs. I'd argue various runs in that period are among the most overrated in comic book history. Civil War: predictable and politically juvenile version of a What If? story.
The introduction of the symbiote costume / all things Venom.
Did you like 154-168? Other than probably being about 5 issues too long I l thought it was pretty good You must be excited about Venom Wars in August |
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 2, 2024 15:25:15 GMT -5
Kingdom Come. Batman Beyond. Christian Bale's Batman. O'Neil and Adams Green Lantern/Green Arrow run. I've never seen Batman Beyond but I wholly agree with the others (though I lurf the art on KC).
Cei-U! I summon the tepid trifecta!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2024 15:34:06 GMT -5
In Kingdom Come, Cap looks like Stone Cold Steve Austin
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 2, 2024 18:33:38 GMT -5
Did you like 154-168? Other than probably being about 5 issues too long I l thought it was pretty good X-Men? Not a fan. I only tolerated the '75 "new" X-Men when that version made its debut, largely due to Dave Cockrum, who won me over on Superboy and the Legion of Superheores. Looking back on the X-Men era you mentioned, it just did not warrant the praise some gave it as some game-changing storytelling. Worth all of the praise it recieved. That's the kind of story that sums up and closes the book on the contrast of traditional (old school) superhero experience vs a new era so well, in a way that was an effective, unintentional commentary on the superhero end of the comic-book industry. Never cared for that cartoon. [/i] One of the two best screen Batmen ever put before a camera. Obviously historic thanks to its plot, but many of its messages still resonate today. Even without the message, its one of the medium's most solid, well-executed runs from one its golden creative teams. |
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Post by chadwilliam on Mar 2, 2024 18:56:35 GMT -5
Kingdom Come. Batman Beyond. Christian Bale's Batman. O'Neil and Adams Green Lantern/Green Arrow run. I'm with you on Kingdom Come. I love it for reasons external to the comic...but I find it almost unreadable. O'Neil & Adams' GL/GA is a "you had to be there" thing. It was absolutely ground-breaking at the time...and for some time after. I used to love it. I now find most of the writing to be utterly cringe-worthy. It's still pretty though...if you get the originals as opposed to Adams' re-drawing bastardization. I hesitated to include it for the reason you gave and because while "You never bothered with the black skins!" is an unfair condemnation of the fictional Green Lantern who I'm sure would have stood up against racism if ever placed in a position to do so, it was unfortunately a fair denunciation of a medium which rarely ever gave him the opportunity to prove it. However, Green Arrow backhanding his ward since that's the only language junkies understand and then sharing a chuckle with the kid when he returns the blow? Yeah, it's going on the list. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 2, 2024 19:01:48 GMT -5
You’re all insane, Gl /Ga is a masterpiece never to be equaled.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 2, 2024 19:34:46 GMT -5
In Kingdom Come, Cap looks like Stone Cold Steve Austin Ummmmmmmmmm....................................I think you are reading a different Kingdom Come than I am, because Captain Marvel looks like Fred MacMurray and that's the only Captain I can think of, off the top of my head, in it. We are talking the DC mini, from Mark Waid and Alex Ross....but, to me, it sounds like you are taking about either Marvels or Ultimate Avengers (or something I am overlooking). |
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 2, 2024 19:44:59 GMT -5
Batman Beyond had moments, but it wasn't "must see," for me, like BTAS or JLU. Even Superman TAS was more "must see," especially after they really started dipping into the Kirby well of characters.
I like Batman Begins well enough; but it went downhill, fast, from there. Batman: Mask of the Phantasm is still the best Batman movie, to me, with the 1966 film a close second. Say what you want; but, as a kid, it was an awesome adventure movie; and, as an adult, it is funny as hell! Burton's Batman has moments, but was too much "Ooh, look at how dark and edgy and goth I am," like 90% of the art school posers I used to see on campus, when I was in college, who couldn't draw a straight line but liked to play up being dark and avant garde.
I've never gotten the love for Morrison's JLA. It isn't bad; but it feels like cookie cutter superhero plots, to me. Same for his All-Star Superman; I like it well enough, mostly because it reads like recycled Elliot Maggin.
GL/GA was heavy-handed; but, it holds up waaaay better than the stuff that tried to imitate it. Same for Watchmen and other deconstructionist comics.
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