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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 19, 2024 18:07:01 GMT -5
You've been here long enough to know that Barks would move the needle. He wouldn’t win. I'm guessing he gets more votes than at least half your "heavy-hitters." Oh. And I should have mentioned Jeff Smith.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Mar 19, 2024 18:12:17 GMT -5
You've been here long enough to know that Barks would move the needle. He wouldn’t win. Neither would 3 of the guys you listed, there's only 1 winner, but he certainly would be the favorite fo some people here. If it only counts if they win, then you should only list 1, because the others won't win either. And knowing this board, Miller wouldn't win either as there's not a lot of Miller fans here (I'm a fan but I'm more of an exception in that among the folks here). It comes down to what are you asking-which is the community's favorite, or which of your favorites does the community like the most. If gauging what the community's favorite is, you need to include options that aren't your favorites or that you don't think move the needle because the overwhelming response of "other" in this poll shows the ones you picked aren't moving the needle either. -M PS and honestly from the way you worded the title of the thread, I thought you were starting some kind of March Madness bracket showdown for people to vote on their potential favorite writer/artists until a winner is crowned and I was going to commend you on taking on such an ambitious project...
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Post by chaykinstevens on Mar 19, 2024 18:32:52 GMT -5
John Byrne claim to fame- Dave Cockrum pencilled X-Men #126's cover.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2024 18:41:25 GMT -5
Icctrombone clearly did not just "pick his favorites" for this poll, I want to point out Liefeld was actually excluded (who is both a writer and artist, though that's debated by some here).
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Mar 19, 2024 19:04:54 GMT -5
Icctrombone clearly did not just "pick his favorites" for this poll, I want to point out Liefeld was actually excluded (who is both a writer and artist, though that's debated by some here). Well he knows Liefeld wouldn't "move the needle" here I guess. MCFarlane also wasn't included, I'm assuming for the same reason (none of the Image guys were and I know he's a Larsen fan as well). -M
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 19, 2024 19:40:38 GMT -5
And I'll go other with Darwyn Cooke. -M I joined you. But I also thought of Eisner and Kirby.
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Post by shaxper on Mar 19, 2024 19:47:23 GMT -5
While this discussion may not have gone as intended, I think it turned out pretty fascinating. Please don't take it hard if we disagree with your picks, Icctrombone. I'm finding it just as fascinating who each member sees as the obvious choices for best writer/artists. Shame on me for not thinking Kirby and Eisner, for example.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 19, 2024 20:17:37 GMT -5
I have to go with Stan Sakai...there are few others people mention, but I think some of those are not really writer/artists, but more artists that write sometimes.
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Post by MDG on Mar 19, 2024 20:34:06 GMT -5
Another name I'd list (for his comic book--not strip--work) is Frank Robbins
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 19, 2024 22:15:04 GMT -5
Two more, Steranko and Dave Stevens. Limited but awesome output.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 19, 2024 22:26:56 GMT -5
Neither would 3 of the guys you listed, there's only 1 winner, but he certainly would be the favorite fo some people here. If it only counts if they win, then you should only list 1, because the others won't win either. And knowing this board, Miller wouldn't win either as there's not a lot of Miller fans here (I'm a fan but I'm more of an exception in that among the folks here). I like Miller a fair bit. At least through the best of Sin City. But he’s still way down my list. And much further if I include strip creators.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 19, 2024 22:45:04 GMT -5
I chose other, but it's a big Other.
Both Gilbert and Jaime Hernandez Dan Clowes Terry Laban Wiil Eisner Carl Barks Howard Chaykin Jeff Smith Eddie Campbell Colleen Doran Sarah Dyer (Action Girl!) Mathias Schultheis Quino Mordillo (his work is silent, but it tells a story, within the gags) Mike Grell Dan Brereton (love his Nocturnals) Scott Roberts and the wonderful Patty Cake Kirby Mike Mignola Michael T Gilbert Tim Truman Pepe Moreno (though his best work was in conjunction with Archie Goodwin) Daniel Torres (Rocco Vargas, most especially) Franco Saudelli Guido Crepax Druillet Liberatore-RanXerox Jije Franquin Osamu Tezuka (though he had assistants, as did a large swath of the manga creators) Leo (Worlds of Aldebaran) Jacques Tardi Vittorio Giardino-both Sam Pezzo and Max Fridman Nina Paley
If you include comic strips, I can go on and on.
Starlin and Simonson Irate higher, as writers than Miller or Byrne, but I felt Starlin peaked with metamorphosis Odyssey and then it declined across Dreadstar and definitely with later work. Simonson is just really entertaining, especially when he does double duty.
I am less and less enamored of Miller the older I get. In college and soon after, I was all over his stuff; but, as I grew older and recognized more and more his influences, he dropped in stature. That, aided by the fact that I really didn't like Sin City after the first couple of storylines and the more I saw how the female characters were treated. I thought his best writing was with other artists, like Dave Gibbons, on Martha Washington, and Geoff Darrow, in Big Guy and Rusty, and to a lesser extent, on Hard Boiled (not a fan of the writing, but love Darrow's art). Daredevil, I thought, was better with McKenzie writing and I liked Mazuchelli, as a visual storyteller, better. I'm not a great admirer of Miller's art, especially after he started aping Jose Munoz, by way of Kriesten.
Byrne I am not overly awed by his writing. I enjoyed Next Men, when it started out, but less so, as it went on and less in looking back. The Torch of Liberty was the one thing I really enjoyed, as well as Batman & Captain America, plus some of his Superman revamp; but not much aside from that. he was far better with a good writer, like Chris Claremont or Rogert Stern.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 19, 2024 23:10:47 GMT -5
ps I should add that I haven't really read Byrne's FF run, other than a story or two, here and there.
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Post by Duragizer on Mar 20, 2024 1:10:11 GMT -5
Mignola. I've loved almost everything of his I've touched. Hellboy in Hell was underwhelming, though.
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Post by berkley on Mar 20, 2024 1:40:31 GMT -5
Neither would 3 of the guys you listed, there's only 1 winner, but he certainly would be the favorite fo some people here. If it only counts if they win, then you should only list 1, because the others won't win either. And knowing this board, Miller wouldn't win either as there's not a lot of Miller fans here (I'm a fan but I'm more of an exception in that among the folks here). I like Miller a fair bit. At least through the best of Sin City. But he’s still way down my list. And much further if I include strip creators.
What he does well - Chandler/Hammett-style American hard-boiled crime stories - he does really well. At the same time, it feels a bit limited to me - as seen when he tries other genres, whether superhero (Daredevil, Batman) or historical fiction (300): because he brings more or less the same sensibility to those works and for me it clashes with their respective settings and genre conventions. I think Sin City is his best because that's the one where the content is a perfect fit for the style.
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