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Post by mikelmidnight on Nov 7, 2024 10:33:27 GMT -5
Oh well that's interesting! I might check it out but from memory, it was drawn with a 90s art style which I didn't love.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 7, 2024 13:11:41 GMT -5
I wasn't offended or anything but I don't know what Gerber was aiming for with Void Indigo. I don't really remember anything about it except for a vague confused feeling.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 7, 2024 13:14:59 GMT -5
Oh well that's interesting! I might check it out but from memory, it was drawn with a 90s art style which I didn't love. Millar's run had Frank Quitely on art. So, his usual weird faces and similar tics. |
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Post by rich on Nov 7, 2024 13:42:28 GMT -5
Oh well that's interesting! I might check it out but from memory, it was drawn with a 90s art style which I didn't love. Millar's run had Frank Quitely on art. So, his usual weird faces and similar tics. For a while I enjoyed his art, despite the ugly ugly people. JLA- Earth 2, for example. It had become less appealing by the time he was on X-Men, though. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 7, 2024 15:02:11 GMT -5
Millar's run had Frank Quitely on art. So, his usual weird faces and similar tics. For a while I enjoyed his art, despite the ugly ugly people. JLA- Earth 2, for example. It had become less appealing by the time he was on X-Men, though. I don't mind him on something quirky, like The Authority or JLA: Earth-2; but, yeah, the aesthetic only works in some circumstances, for me. |
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Post by berkley on Nov 8, 2024 1:03:31 GMT -5
I wasn't offended or anything but I don't know what Gerber was aiming for with Void Indigo. I don't really remember anything about it except for a vague confused feeling.
I didn't understand everything but I liked the set-up and the feeling that Gerber would eventually bring it all together in some cool way - and I still think he would have if it hadn't been cancelled so soon. But I just liked his style and thus didnt mind if it didn't immediately make complete sense to me. I think this was one of his most "Gerber-esque" creations, which was exactly what I wanted to see from him.
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Post by berkley on Nov 8, 2024 1:14:22 GMT -5
I don't know about offended but I have been pretty annoyed by the way Kirby's New Gods and Eternals have been written by several big-names whose independent work I usually like: it seems obvious that in some cases they simply weren't interested and saw nothing of value in the original that they thought they could use; and in other cases actively disliked the characters and used them as a negative contrast to boost superhero characters they did like. And yet in promoting their versions they would hypocritically pay lip-service to Kirby's talent, etc. All very distasteful.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 8, 2024 2:02:55 GMT -5
Well, hardly a favorite writer; but, Brad Meltzer ticked me right the hell off.
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 8, 2024 3:53:37 GMT -5
The Killing Joke. Alan Moore’s portrayal of Barbara Gordon was really awful.
I wasn’t even a big fan of Batgirl at the time. But she was taken by surprise by the Joker and some thugs and beaten very badly, and it was just stupid.
And it has nothing to do with being Batgirl.
Barbara Gordon is a Gothamite and the daughter of the police commissioner. She knows better than to open the door for anybody who knocks.
Not just lazy writing, but very very stupid writing.
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Post by rich on Nov 8, 2024 5:45:30 GMT -5
Well, hardly a favorite writer; but, Brad Meltzer ticked me right the hell off. The name rang zero bells with me, so I Googled who the heck he was. Turns out he's been very active since I quit comics! What did he write that annoyed you? |
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Post by rich on Nov 8, 2024 5:47:07 GMT -5
The Killing Joke. Alan Moore’s portrayal of Barbara Gordon was really awful. I wasn’t even a big fan of Batgirl at the time. But she was taken by surprise by the Joker and some thugs and beaten very badly, and it was just stupid. And it has nothing to do with being Batgirl. Barbara Gordon is a Gothamite and the daughter of the police commissioner. She knows better than to open the door for anybody who knocks. Not just lazy writing, but very very stupid writing. I agree that moment is stupid. Writing wise I found it otherwise ok. The art and the brilliant colouring elevated it. |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 8, 2024 6:12:07 GMT -5
The Killing Joke. Alan Moore’s portrayal of Barbara Gordon was really awful. I wasn’t even a big fan of Batgirl at the time. But she was taken by surprise by the Joker and some thugs and beaten very badly, and it was just stupid. And it has nothing to do with being Batgirl. Barbara Gordon is a Gothamite and the daughter of the police commissioner. She knows better than to open the door for anybody who knocks. Not just lazy writing, but very very stupid writing. I don't think it was out of character, lazy writing, or stupid. The point is that Barbara Gordon was already expecting her friend to knock for that evening's Yoga class, and at that particular moment when the Joker knocked, she was distracted by her father updating his scrapbook and their both reminiscing about the scary stories he used to tell Barbara about the various Bat-villains when she was younger. So, with the combination of expecting her friend to knock at that time anyway and also being distracted by a conversation, I think it's perfectly believable that she would open the door. Even if she really should've known better, we've all done silly stuff we know better than to do when we weren't thinking. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 8, 2024 10:15:38 GMT -5
The Killing Joke. Alan Moore’s portrayal of Barbara Gordon was really awful. I wasn’t even a big fan of Batgirl at the time. But she was taken by surprise by the Joker and some thugs and beaten very badly, and it was just stupid. And it has nothing to do with being Batgirl. Barbara Gordon is a Gothamite and the daughter of the police commissioner. She knows better than to open the door for anybody who knocks. Not just lazy writing, but very very stupid writing. To be fair, Alan Moore thinks The Killing Joke is pretty awful also. |
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Post by DubipR on Nov 8, 2024 10:56:54 GMT -5
The Killing Joke. Alan Moore’s portrayal of Barbara Gordon was really awful. I wasn’t even a big fan of Batgirl at the time. But she was taken by surprise by the Joker and some thugs and beaten very badly, and it was just stupid. And it has nothing to do with being Batgirl. Barbara Gordon is a Gothamite and the daughter of the police commissioner. She knows better than to open the door for anybody who knocks. Not just lazy writing, but very very stupid writing. What amazes me that people are calling this the Joker origin story, which is upsets me because its the JOKER! Talk about an unreliable narrator. Its a story in his insane head and yet people accept it; turned it into a stupid movie and people went gaga for it. Its terrible writing. |
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Post by DubipR on Nov 8, 2024 11:05:55 GMT -5
Well, hardly a favorite writer; but, Brad Meltzer ticked me right the hell off. Brad Meltzer... ah yes. I remember his "love letter to the Silver Age" with Identity Crisis. Funny, I don't remember forced rape a part of the Silver Age. It was a total middle finger to what the Justice League was and were with piss poor writing. Geoff Johns gave me an answer that still haunts me to this day about Infinite Crisis. Another editorial mandate to make things even darker before a reboot, the first issue of this mini-series starts off with the brutal murder of The Freedom Fighters. It's brutal; impaling, decapitations. Seriously a WTF moment and not talked about. Freedom Fighters are a favorite team of mine. When I asked him about this, he said 'I did it because I could. Who cares about that team?' When I told him that I was, he looked me dumbfounded. |
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