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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 18:18:13 GMT -5
It may be because they're planning on this franchise lasting a while before the reboot. The comic book movies are getting more and more ambitious, they may be hoping for a Harry Potter length series. At that rate the young actors will grow into their roles.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 18:19:11 GMT -5
Because that's the demographic Fox wants to get for this movie.... -M I think it will backfire on certain fans of Fantastic Four and I seen the teaser and I'm remaining skeptical of the whole thing and that's where I stand on this movie. Fantastic Four comics have maybe twenty thousand fans. I think the movie is shooting for several million viewers. They could live without a single reader of the comics seeing the movie, as long as the regular fans of big budget summer spectacles show up. |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jan 27, 2015 19:31:24 GMT -5
Fantastic Four comics have maybe twenty thousand fans. How are you arriving at that figure? Unless the mortality rate among nerds 35 - 65 has suddenly sky-rocketed, your number is appallingly low. No disrespect, but are you perhaps posting from inside Latveria?  |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 27, 2015 19:35:29 GMT -5
Fantastic Four comics have maybe twenty thousand fans. How are you arriving at that figure? Unless the mortality rate among nerds 35 - 65 has suddenly sky-rocketed, your number is appallingly low. No disrespect, but are you perhaps posting from inside Latveria? 20K probably is a on the low side but the point he was making isn't wrong the general populace of movie goers is far larger than FF fans. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 19:37:20 GMT -5
Fantastic Four comics have maybe twenty thousand fans. How are you arriving at that figure? Unless the mortality rate among nerds 35 - 65 has suddenly sky-rocketed, your number is appallingly low. No disrespect, but are you perhaps posting from inside Latveria? Sales figures for non key non reboot issues without variant covers. I figure low because among those 20,000 fans will be a couple who still buy multiples, for whatever reason. By "fan" I don't mean someone who used to like FF when they were ten, I mean current readers. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 27, 2015 19:41:29 GMT -5
I'm long past the days where I'd get visually irritated by stuff like this trainwreck of an FF adaptation, but I will be doing my part by not seeing it. It's all I can do. I've been boycotting all the Fox Marvel movies since the first two X-Men and Spider-Man films. (I simply wasn't a fan of the changes or the tone.)
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 27, 2015 20:06:56 GMT -5
How are you arriving at that figure? Unless the mortality rate among nerds 35 - 65 has suddenly sky-rocketed, your number is appallingly low. No disrespect, but are you perhaps posting from inside Latveria? Sales figures for non key non reboot issues without variant covers. I figure low because among those 20,000 fans will be a couple who still buy multiples, for whatever reason. By "fan" I don't mean someone who used to like FF when they were ten, I mean current readers. Heck, even adding all those who were fans when they were ten would still give you a number that is smaller than the general movie going population by several orders magnitudes. |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jan 27, 2015 20:34:52 GMT -5
Sales figures for non key non reboot issues without variant covers. I figure low because among those 20,000 fans will be a couple who still buy multiples, for whatever reason. By "fan" I don't mean someone who used to like FF when they were ten, I mean current readers. Heck, even adding all those who were fans when they were ten would still give you a number that is smaller than the general movie going population by several orders magnitudes. I understand what you're saying, but I think you underestimate the cultural saturation of a book that sold in the hundreds of thousands every month for decades and which was seen on television by two or three generations of viewers. That translates into millions of people with at least a passing familiarity and some attachment to the property. It seems foolish to dismiss that. And comic fans and movie fans are not mutually exclusive. There's cross-over and word-of-mouth there that translates into significant dollars for a movie that casts a wide net. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 27, 2015 21:25:25 GMT -5
Heck, even adding all those who were fans when they were ten would still give you a number that is smaller than the general movie going population by several orders magnitudes. I understand what you're saying, but I think you underestimate the cultural saturation of a book that sold in the hundreds of thousands every month for decades and which was seen on television by two or three generations of viewers. That translates into millions of people with at least a passing familiarity and some attachment to the property. It seems foolish to dismiss that. And comic fans and movie fans are not mutually exclusive. There's cross-over and word-of-mouth there that translates into significant dollars for a movie that casts a wide net. Eh, while it was very popular in the 60's and regularly put up 300K a month it declined seriously in the 70's after Kirby left. It had a brief rise with Byrne in the early to mid 80's but again after he left it fell out of favor again and really hasn't gained it back. There was a time when they were bigger than Spider-Man and the Thing was as popular as the Hulk but that time was in the past; this isn't a book with a huge fan following or large cultural foot print anymore and the movie doesn't really need the fans it does have in order to succeed. Now, I'm not saying this film will succeed while ignoring the original fans, that's yet to be seen, I'm just saying that if it fails it will do so not because it turned off fans for straying too far but rather because it was a bad film in its own right. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 21:30:46 GMT -5
Heck, even adding all those who were fans when they were ten would still give you a number that is smaller than the general movie going population by several orders magnitudes. I understand what you're saying, but I think you underestimate the cultural saturation of a book that sold in the hundreds of thousands every month for decades and which was seen on television by two or three generations of viewers. That translates into millions of people with at least a passing familiarity and some attachment to the property. It seems foolish to dismiss that. And comic fans and movie fans are not mutually exclusive. There's cross-over and word-of-mouth there that translates into significant dollars for a movie that casts a wide net. Most people with a passing familiarity of something they liked when they were ten are not going to be bent out of shape if minute details are not true to the comic they have a vague memory of drawing mustaches in when they were little. |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Jan 27, 2015 21:49:49 GMT -5
Most people with a passing familiarity of something they liked when they were ten are not going to be bent out of shape if minute details are not true to the comic they have a vague memory of drawing mustaches in when they were little. I have to disagree. Ninja Turtles: www.rottentomatoes.com/m/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_2013/
Despite high production value AND a rejection of the core fan base, it did. not. succeed.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 27, 2015 22:19:24 GMT -5
Most people with a passing familiarity of something they liked when they were ten are not going to be bent out of shape if minute details are not true to the comic they have a vague memory of drawing mustaches in when they were little. I have to disagree. Ninja Turtles: www.rottentomatoes.com/m/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_2013/
Despite high production value AND a rejection of the core fan base, it did. not. succeed.
It was commercially successful, raking in lots of dough at box office and on DVD and it sold a ton of toys...and it's is getting a sequel so it did succeed despite alienating many long time fans. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 23:43:40 GMT -5
Other than the shot of the back of the Thing at the end, I'd have no idea this was the Fantastic Four, which is the main criticism, I think. It looks like most of the sci-fi that hits the movies these days.. not particular good or bad. The Torch burst into flames at one point, too. That could describe the Corman FF too, but just at one point. So for that statement is a case of damning with faint praise... -M |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2015 23:50:22 GMT -5
Most people with a passing familiarity of something they liked when they were ten are not going to be bent out of shape if minute details are not true to the comic they have a vague memory of drawing mustaches in when they were little. I have to disagree. Ninja Turtles: www.rottentomatoes.com/m/teenage_mutant_ninja_turtles_2013/
Despite high production value AND a rejection of the core fan base, it did. not. succeed.
Because it wasn't good. Not because the public at large judged it based on it staying true to the source material. In fact, out of the people upset that it didn't stay true to it's source material, almost NONE of them thought the 1984 Mirage comic series was the source material. They thought the cartoon was, or the 1989 movie, or whatever their first exposure to the TMNT was. The cartoon was a huge success, and was nothing like the source material. People were upset Megan Fox was cast as April because she's not a redhead. Well, neither is April O'Neil.  |
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Post by hondobrode on Jan 28, 2015 1:40:19 GMT -5
From what I'd read up until today, I really wasn't going to see this.
Now, I'm very optimistic and really like the sci-fi vibe.
I'm glad to have a change of heart and hope I won't be let down.
At a time when there wasn't much Marvel I liked, I really liked most of the Ultimate line, and dig the vibe this is giving too.
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