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Post by Action Ace on Jun 13, 2014 20:19:04 GMT -5
Good writers and popular artists...? No, you need a gimmick. A thousand year old Damian Wayne clone as the Legion's Batman, that sort of thing. |
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 15, 2014 0:16:14 GMT -5
Can't wait for it to come back !
Favorite DC franchise.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 15, 2014 0:30:04 GMT -5
I'll be reading the Legion Archives soon. I've never been a fan, but that's mainly because my interest in DC used to be confined to The Big Three before I started branching out of Marvel Zombie mode. I certainly knew that they were a big influence on a lot of Marvel stuff that I've always liked, so it'll be interesting to see how I react to reading it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 0:32:29 GMT -5
Frank Miller
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Post by the4thpip on Jun 15, 2014 2:17:04 GMT -5
Can't wait for Whore-Lass, Whore-Girl and Whore-Damsel to join. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 2:18:51 GMT -5
Can't wait for Whore-Lass, Whore-Girl and Whore-Damsel to join. Knowing Frank, those will be the new version of Triplicate Girl in the Legion.... -M |
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Post by the4thpip on Jun 15, 2014 2:41:50 GMT -5
Can't wait for Whore-Lass, Whore-Girl and Whore-Damsel to join. Knowing Frank, those will be the new version of Triplicate Girl in the Legion.... -M Nah, she would be Threesome-Whore. |
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Post by DubipR on Jun 15, 2014 8:34:23 GMT -5
Honestly, with the age of close to future technology and ever expanding tech and science, the Legion seems outdated to me. Back in 1958, the concept of the future was mindblowing but now, we're more interested in other things than outer space and the possible future. While I enjoy some of the characters, the concept in today's market isn't fit for an ongoing series. Like Jez stated, a mini-series is more suited to their appeal. Also, the names in 2014 are effeing stupid as hell. Who the heck says Lad and Lass these days if you're not from the Emerald Isle? If you're going to re-start the Legion (again...for the 6th or 7th time), ditch the 30th Century angle. Just make them kids with future technology and superpowers.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 15, 2014 13:10:13 GMT -5
Honestly, with the age of close to future technology and ever expanding tech and science, the Legion seems outdated to me. Back in 1958, the concept of the future was mindblowing but now, we're more interested in other things than outer space and the possible future. While I enjoy some of the characters, the concept in today's market isn't fit for an ongoing series. Like Jez stated, a mini-series is more suited to their appeal. Also, the names in 2014 are effeing stupid as hell. Who the heck says Lad and Lass these days if you're not from the Emerald Isle? If you're going to re-start the Legion (again...for the 6th or 7th time), ditch the 30th Century angle. Just make them kids with future technology and superpowers. That's an interesting comment to me. It's sad that we're not interested in space and the future; it shows in our pathetic support for the space program and general lack of imagination in modern culture. But I get the point. I suppose DC has to create comics to reflect the modern society on some level, for good or ill. I do agree with the names being silly, but tradition is a hard thing to break. It took 75 years for the circus performer-based costumes to finally be phased out and this to be no exception. Still, do you REALLY want to live in a world without a character named Matter-Eater Lad? Not sure if I'm ready... |
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 15, 2014 13:43:42 GMT -5
Yes, the lads and lasses are stupid and dated, but, they've used different names, and I've liked them. I highly doubt they'd keep those original names. Legion readers are still going to read, new readers might finally jump on, and there's no merchandising with them yet. It would also be proactive to making the jump to a movie.
Have to disagree with DubipR on this one. Legion is one of DC's oldest franchises and, like Titans, needs to soldier on.
The future will always be somewhere we haven't gotten to yet. How is that not appealing ? Bring in a tried and true proven sci-fi writer, and then rotate between Big Name Talents like that, and I'll bet this could be a hot title again.
Working with an editor to help guide the series, it could be great.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 15, 2014 13:49:01 GMT -5
Also, it's folly to set something in the context of the least imaginative of us. (This is how we get crap like Duck Dynasty and Jersey Shore capturing the hearts and minds of mouth-breathers everywhere.)
I suppose this is what we get when we live in a world where millions of people think time wasting pastimes like twitter and facebook are cultural revelations.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 14:44:42 GMT -5
Personally, I think the 30th century of the Legion is a joke...
Everyone with at least one working braincell knows the singularity is just a couple decades away...
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Post by fanboystranger on Jun 15, 2014 15:52:31 GMT -5
Personally, I think the 30th century of the Legion is a joke... Everyone with at least one working braincell knows the singularity is just a couple decades away... Actually, I think there's a valid point in there. The technology of the 30th century beyond the space travel and climate management isn't all that advanced from technology we already have. What was supposed to seem revolutionary in the future of the Legion from its depictions in the '60s, '70s, and '80s is actually old hat now, and nothing really replaced that sort of depiction in the two reboots. (Although I'd say Abnett and Lanning were at least trying, and some of what Copiel and Kev Walker were depiciting did at least seem futuristic.) Now, some of it was explained away by the Robot Wars, Dominator supression, etc., but I think that gets back to my point about imagination-- you need to imagine a fantastic future for the Legion, not keep showing the same things over and over again. This is science fiction-- you have license to dream up new depictions of technology and society.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 15, 2014 15:56:08 GMT -5
That's exactly right.
There's still tons of things we can't do, or are at least not common place.
Like I said, getting a real sci-fi writer in there, maybe as a co-plotter, would really be a worthwhile investment.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 16:05:31 GMT -5
I think the biggest issue with the viability of the Legion in today's market is that the entire zeitgeist of the future in our society has changed. In the 50's the myth of progress-that as society moves forward in time it automatically gets better, solves its problems, etc. and it is only a matter of time until all problems are solved because that is the nature of things-was in full effect. Most pop culture representations of the future were bright and shiny. Everything from those Disney world of the future type things to the Jetsons to even Roddenberry's vision of the future in Star Trek.
The worm turned. Views of the future became pessimistic. Toffler's Future Shock may be the landmark to point to for identifying the turn, but it was slowly happening before that. Technology began to be perceived as a the cause of as many problems as it was a solution for. Images of the future in pop culture changed-fro Terminator to Twelve Monkeys, and such. The happy shiny future doesn't resonate with today's buying audience. Even Star Trek has suffered this. Abrams reboot has shed the hopeful optimism that permeated Rodenberry's original work. People are apprehensive about the future, not hopeful as a whole.
The core element of the Legion is not one that will resonate with a modern consumer well enough to build a new audience for it. To change it as needed to make it such would alienate the long term fan base of the characters. Both those types f consumers need to be on board to make a book economically viable in today's shrunken market.
Until a creator comes along who can marry the optimism at the core of the Legion to a future-based story that resonated with today's audience, and has the stature to keep DC editorial from imposing their "the writer is there to connect-the-dots we set up" strategy that permeates the new52, the Legion will remain a property that is unviable in the current market. Things can change (change may be the only constant), but right now it needs to lay fallow until it can be brought back in better circumstances. Unfortunately, writers/creators of that stature and vision are going to indy publishers not big 2 these days with their ideas, and the best Legion story I have read in a long time was Hypernaturals by Dan Abnett & Andy Lanning from BOOM! Studios in 2012, so I think it is going to be a long while before we get a viable Legion title. We may get a Legion relaunch sooner, but not so sure it will be viable, and it will be the DC pattern of 7-12 issues then cancellation again that plagues all non big 7 related concepts in the new52.
-M
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