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Post by the4thpip on Jun 17, 2014 14:08:50 GMT -5
Now I want a comic about Barks and Bradbury fighting zombie ducks from Mars. I thought about that because in the Bark's bio's in the Duck's books it states that he was a logger, a rivet heater and even a mule skinner before he became a professional cartoonist. Bark's seems like the kindest man in interviews (and even his voice is cartoonish) but I have no doubt that he could have taken any of us, and any modern creator, in knife fight. Also, look at Robert Kanigher:  Swoooon. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 17, 2014 15:50:27 GMT -5
The difference would become even more pronounced in the 5 Year Gap when Giffen would tell his stories in a very tightly-plotted American Flagg!/ Watchmen manner with its formal nine panel grid, savvy scene transitions, and refusal to hold the reader's hand through the abundance of reference and detail. [/p][/quote] You just identified what I loved most about the title back then. It was like a SF novel more than a regular comic. |
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Post by paulie on Jun 17, 2014 16:52:42 GMT -5
I just wanted to clarify my post above when I mentioned Chris Claremont. For me it was not so much about the sub-plots but about the complete lack of humor and joylessness that existed in the comics world he created. It frankly became off-putting after a while and it never let up, it just kept getting more and more dour. Even the art, and I'm thinking JR.JR., Marc Silvestri and Dan Green here, seemed to be sullen and morose.
I'm not asking my comics to be Not Brand Echh but painting a world like Claremont did just left me sour. And then it became the norm in comics storytelling.
But damn the first 24 issues and 2 annuals of the 5YL Legion were great.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 16:56:39 GMT -5
I'm not asking my comics to be Not Brand Echh I am. Your comics, that is. Well, yeah, mine too, I guess. The ones that aren't Brother Power the Geek, anyway. |
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Post by paulie on Jun 17, 2014 17:20:45 GMT -5
I'm not asking my comics to be Not Brand Echh I am. Your comics, that is. Well, yeah, mine too, I guess. The ones that aren't Brother Power the Geek, anyway. Who says a comic has to be good? |
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Post by Action Ace on Jun 17, 2014 20:46:26 GMT -5
The difference would become even more pronounced in the 5 Year Gap when Giffen would tell his stories in a very tightly-plotted American Flagg!/Watchmen manner with its formal nine panel grid, saavy scene transitions, and refusal to hold the reader's hand through the abundance of reference and detail. That's where I think most traditional Legion fans jumped ship.
I certainly picked a bad time to return to Legion reading. My last comic with the Legion in it was New Adventures of Superboy in 1983 and I decided to see what was going on with issue #19 in 1991, right after the Superman "Time After Time" crossover. I was going to drop it when the Batch SW-6 Legion showed up to save the day. |
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 17, 2014 22:00:42 GMT -5
I think the Legion has a couple of huge problems: (1) in common with lots of DC series, its continuity is just a nightmare with umpteen different versions from pre and post various reboots, with the extra added fun that even if anyone gets it straightened out (either in story, by ignoring it all or by some massive retcon) they're hostage to fortune towards whatever happens in current-time and the risk of completely invalidating their history. Again. (2) The whole lad/lass/boy/girl suffix thing is simultaneously irrideemable uncool and intrinsic to the identify of the book that renaming the characters as "normal" names just doesn't work. The biggest problem is that DC doesn't seem interested (or able) to sell anything that isn't tied strongly into either the Batman or Superman titles. I think the New52 reboot clears up the continuity fine. |
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 17, 2014 22:01:29 GMT -5
I think the Legion might be a good candidate for the Tiny Titans treatment...
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Post by Action Ace on Jun 17, 2014 22:12:36 GMT -5
I think the Legion might be a good candidate for the Tiny Titans treatment...  AWWW YEAH! LITTLE LEGION!  |
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Post by berkley on Jun 17, 2014 23:43:00 GMT -5
Would you recommend the entire Giffen run or just a certain part of it? I read the Great Darkness multi-parter back in the day but didn't carry on after that. But after hearing fans talk about it here my interest has been rekindled. I've already re-acquired the Great Darkness back-issues and the artwork looks so good I'm thinking about looking for more Giffen-era Legion. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 17, 2014 23:52:23 GMT -5
I thought about that because in the Bark's bio's in the Duck's books it states that he was a logger, a rivet heater and even a mule skinner before he became a professional cartoonist. Bark's seems like the kindest man in interviews (and even his voice is cartoonish) but I have no doubt that he could have taken any of us, and any modern creator, in knife fight. Also, look at Robert Kanigher: Swoooon. And to take that a step further, someone once held this specimen of manliness out a window from dicking around with his paycheck. (Apparently it wasn't Toth.) This was clearly and era when men were men and so were the comic book editors. Nowadays we have tubs like Brevoort, Bendis and Quesada to marvel at. Pun intended. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 18, 2014 5:09:16 GMT -5
Would you recommend the entire Giffen run or just a certain part of it? I read the Great Darkness multi-parter back in the day but didn't carry on after that. But after hearing fans talk about it here my interest has been rekindled. I've already re-acquired the Great Darkness back-issues and the artwork looks so good I'm thinking about looking for more Giffen-era Legion. Yes, in hindsight I would recommend the three Giffen runs. I must however admit that I don't care for the non-Giffen LSH books written by Levitz, even if logically the only thing that should change is the art... It's as if Giffen's input on the stories was what made them click for me. As for the 5YL storyline, it remained good even without Giffen... but only for a while. After issue 38, things get kind of boring. |
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 18, 2014 10:07:17 GMT -5
I'll second that, though I still personally liked the series after 38, though it definitely took a turn.
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Post by Pharozonk on Jun 18, 2014 11:14:07 GMT -5
I personally think it stopped being readable around issue 25, though there were a few good issues scattered here and there until the reboot, but most of it was garbage.
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Post by MDG on Jun 18, 2014 11:55:49 GMT -5
I just wanted to clarify my post above when I mentioned Chris Claremont. For me it was not so much about the sub-plots but about the complete lack of humor and joylessness that existed in the comics world he created. It frankly became off-putting after a while and it never let up, it just kept getting more and more dour. .... And then it became the norm in comics storytelling. I think I can agree with that. |
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