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Post by SJNeal on Sept 24, 2015 20:55:23 GMT -5
When I heard John Byrne was taking over Wonder Woman, I was thrilled... until I actually read his first issue. The next 3 years were painful, but I stuck through it.
Catwoman was another 90's favorite that featured an array of great writers until editorial decided to sabotage it with one Bronwyn Carlton.
During the asinine "One Year Later" gimmick, DC ruined two of its then best books - Aquaman and Hawkman - by replacing the creative teams with big name writers (both of which I normally love!) that drove both books into the ground before they were finally canceled.
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 24, 2015 21:03:05 GMT -5
I thought Denny O'Neil's runs on Iron Man and Daredevil were both horrendous, especially considering the runs that immediately preceded them (Michelinie/Layton and Miller, respectively). He drove me away from both titles. Frankly, I don't like anything he wrote at Marvel. He just didn't to gel with the characters or capture the Marvel feel. Cei-U! I summon the fish out of water! Wow, I have to disagree with you about his Iron Man Run. The second, And more believable, bout with alcoholism was riveting and awesome. |
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 24, 2015 21:15:37 GMT -5
Like almost everyone, I loved X-Men, but for me it ended when Johnny Romita Jr took over.
No slight to JR Jr, but his style didn't fit the characters IMO and it was never the same for me after that.
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Post by shaxper on Sept 24, 2015 21:18:03 GMT -5
Like almost everyone, I loved X-Men, but for me it ended when Johnny Romita Jr took over. No slight to JR Jr, but his style didn't fit the characters IMO and it was never the same for me after that. I was waiting for someone to bring up X-Men, because I suspect many of us will have different drop-off points. For me, though the Claremont run got tedious at times, it wasn't really until Claremont left that I felt the series became something I couldn't be interested in anymore. It all felt so superficial and forced without Claremont buffering Bob Harras' ideas for how to present the franchise. |
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Post by chadwilliam on Sept 24, 2015 21:23:55 GMT -5
I remember Denny O Neil stating both at the time and in the recent present, that the decision to replace Batman with a more ruthless and violent surrogate during Knightfall was reached as a response to the notion that Bruce Wayne wasn't dark and vicious enough to impress comic buying fans of the 1990s. I'm skeptical of this claim for several reasons, but O Neil to his credit, did end Knightfall (or Search or Quest or whatever it was) by having Bruce Wayne almost metatextually recognize how dark he had become in recent years and announce that from here on in, he was going to reign in his more obsessive behaviour and "spend some time in the light". It was a nice sentiment that lasted all of one epilogue. When Bruce Wayne returned as Batman, he did so in a darker looking outfit, with a darker attitude, and more obsessed with his obsessions than ever before. It was obvious that the writers under O Neil had reached the apex of their arc and had no idea where to go next and so resigned themselves to cranking everything up to 11. So with Batman 515 or thereabouts, I realized that my understanding of who this character was was only going to hinder my ability to both enjoy and understand things from there on. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 24, 2015 22:10:21 GMT -5
Avenger's is a good one. The bomber jacket era was hard to live through. When Busiek and Perez brought them back to glory in 1998 I was thrilled. I'd have to say that the run that soured me on comics for awhile was the horrendously pretentious and boring Incredible Hulk run by Bruce Jones. I only sampled a few issues, but reading those, and detailed reviews of the issues, irked me beyond belief. The Hulk as mysterious monster that you rarely see had to be the most idiotic conceit of the Quesada era. Here we have one of the most recognized superhero icons of all-time, a character that we've seen plastered on lunchbox's for years, and we're supposed to buy into him suddenly being as aloof as Bigfoot? It smacked of someone not wanting to really write the Hulk and summed up everything I hated about the depressing early Quesada era. I didn't give Marvel a shot again until Planet Hulk (which was great) and Annihilation (which was really great). Ha, taste, the final frontier  That Hulk run is by far my all-time favorite on any Hulk ongoing. It jus tfelt as a cool and exciting version of the TV show and sometimes had great art (yes, even some Deodato Jr as he redeamed himself there) |
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Post by berkley on Sept 24, 2015 23:00:59 GMT -5
And I gotta say that Jaime's T-Girl stuff at the beginning of the current series of Love and Rockets didn't do much for me either, especially because it came so soon after Ghosts of Hoppers and right before Browntown, which were some of the greatest comics ever. I thought it was a nice change of pace, myself. I suspect you might like it better if you re-read it down the road sometime - when perhaps it'll seem more its own thing rather than a disappointing successor to what had come immediately before. |
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Post by berkley on Sept 24, 2015 23:03:16 GMT -5
I thought Denny O'Neil's runs on Iron Man and Daredevil were both horrendous, especially considering the runs that immediately preceded them (Michelinie/Layton and Miller, respectively). He drove me away from both titles. Frankly, I don't like anything he wrote at Marvel. He just didn't to gel with the characters or capture the Marvel feel. Cei-U! I summon the fish out of water! What about O'Neil's DC work? Just curious, I haven't read much of anything he's done, apart from a few of the Neal Adams Batman (that was O'Neil, wasn't it?). |
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Post by sunofdarkchild on Sept 24, 2015 23:46:47 GMT -5
Simonsen's run on New Mutants. All of the characters started acting years younger for no reason then got replaced with her X-Factor creations. Then we got saddled with the even worse Liefeld.
Bill Willingham's run on Robin. Not his fault that editorial mandated that everything that made Tim a great character be removed in favor of making him 'Bruce-lite' but his run is the cutoff point.
I'm not sure how long the runs on Batman lasted after they brought back the trunks and took away the oval, but for 5 years the plot of every single event was 'crap happens because Bruce is a jerk to his friends' and it made him unlikeable.
Superman went from a weekly buy to completely unreadable about the same time.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 25, 2015 2:42:34 GMT -5
Avenger's is a good one. The bomber jacket era was hard to live through. When Busiek and Perez brought them back to glory in 1998 I was thrilled. I'd have to say that the run that soured me on comics for awhile was the horrendously pretentious and boring Incredible Hulk run by Bruce Jones. I only sampled a few issues, but reading those, and detailed reviews of the issues, irked me beyond belief. The Hulk as mysterious monster that you rarely see had to be the most idiotic conceit of the Quesada era. Here we have one of the most recognized superhero icons of all-time, a character that we've seen plastered on lunchbox's for years, and we're supposed to buy into him suddenly being as aloof as Bigfoot? It smacked of someone not wanting to really write the Hulk and summed up everything I hated about the depressing early Quesada era. I didn't give Marvel a shot again until Planet Hulk (which was great) and Annihilation (which was really great). Ha, taste, the final frontier That Hulk run is by far my all-time favorite on any Hulk ongoing. It jus tfelt as a cool and exciting version of the TV show and sometimes had great art (yes, even some Deodato Jr as he redeamed himself there) So you're one of those rare Hulk fans that always wanted the book to read like an episode of X-Files without the Hulk in it?  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 3:07:39 GMT -5
Like almost everyone, I loved X-Men, but for me it ended when Johnny Romita Jr took over. No slight to JR Jr, but his style didn't fit the characters IMO and it was never the same for me after that. Same for me, after the short run that Paul Smith did it basically ended for me when JRJR started drawing the book. Byrne was a hard act to follow but I really wish that Paul Smith would have stayed on the book longer, really loved his style. Also, wasn't impressed with Dave Cockrum's second run on the book...just AWFUL!! |
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Post by Icctrombone on Sept 25, 2015 6:05:44 GMT -5
Thor was really good until after the Celestials saga, and with around #302, it became an earthbound affair with drama involving Blake losing his job. It wasn't until Simonson came aboard that it became high-powered again.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 25, 2015 6:18:36 GMT -5
Thor was really good until after the Celestials saga, and with around #302, it became an earthbound affair with drama involving Blake losing his job. It wasn't until Simonson came aboard that it became high-powered again. I just came into this thread to post this exact same thing! Having recently read Thor from the late Journey Into Mystery issues up through issue #400, these were the hardest to get through. Moench took a lot of the grandeur and wonder out of the book, replacing mythology with melodrama, and he created The Zaniac, which is grounds for dismissing his entire run on the basis of that alone. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Sept 25, 2015 6:57:07 GMT -5
Ha, taste, the final frontier That Hulk run is by far my all-time favorite on any Hulk ongoing. It jus tfelt as a cool and exciting version of the TV show and sometimes had great art (yes, even some Deodato Jr as he redeamed himself there) So you're one of those rare Hulk fans that always wanted the book to read like an episode of X-Files without the Hulk in it? Maybe, I just thought it had good stories and storytelling, good art, and I liked the fact that for once Bruce really did try to hold the Hulk wihtin, so that when he'd finally appear, it would be surprising and something you'd fear, which is the core of the concept with me. Hulk being an Avenger has always seemed the stupidest thing ever to me. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 25, 2015 8:05:47 GMT -5
I thought Denny O'Neil's runs on Iron Man and Daredevil were both horrendous, especially considering the runs that immediately preceded them (Michelinie/Layton and Miller, respectively). He drove me away from both titles. Frankly, I don't like anything he wrote at Marvel. He just didn't to gel with the characters or capture the Marvel feel. Cei-U! I summon the fish out of water! What about O'Neil's DC work? Just curious, I haven't read much of anything he's done, apart from a few of the Neal Adams Batman (that was O'Neil, wasn't it?). Truthfully, I'm just not a big fan of O'Neil. I liked most of his '70s Batman stuff and I'm probably one of the few who was sorry to see his post-Weisinger take on Superman end, but his Justice Leagues are mostly awful and I can't stand what he and Adams did to Green Lantern. And, to answer another poster's question further up the thread (I'm too lazy to go back and see who it was), I didn't like his Amazing Spider-Man scripts, although they were better than his Iron Mans or Daredevils. Cei-U! I summon the "meh"! |
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That Hulk run is by far my all-time favorite on any Hulk ongoing. It jus tfelt as a cool and exciting version of the TV show and sometimes had great art (yes, even some Deodato Jr as he redeamed himself there)
