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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 25, 2015 8:42:37 GMT -5
What about O'Neil's DC work? Just curious, I haven't read much of anything he's done, apart from a few of the Neal Adams Batman (that was O'Neil, wasn't it?). Truthfully, I'm just not a big fan of O'Neil. I liked most of his '70s Batman stuff and I'm probably one of the few who was sorry to see his post-Weisinger take on Superman end, but his Justice Leagues are mostly awful and I can't stand what he and Adams did to Green Lantern. And, to answer another poster's question further up the thread (I'm too lazy to go back and see who it was), I didn't like his Amazing Spider-Man scripts, although they were better than his Iron Mans or Daredevils. Cei-U! I summon the "meh"! His writing on Green Lantern hasn't aged well at all. Most of it is truly pretty awful. |
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Sept 25, 2015 8:45:57 GMT -5
Thor was really good until after the Celestials saga, and with around #302, it became an earthbound affair with drama involving Blake losing his job. It wasn't until Simonson came aboard that it became high-powered again. I just came into this thread to post this exact same thing! Having recently read Thor from the late Journey Into Mystery issues up through issue #400, these were the hardest to get through. Moench took a lot of the grandeur and wonder out of the book, replacing mythology with melodrama, and he created The Zaniac, which is grounds for dismissing his entire run on the basis of that alone. When a younger me (probably 15 years ago) was looking to branch out into other superheroes, Thor was one that I thought I might like. Having limited internet access to know what was actually good, I went to my local back issue shop and picked some up at random and Thor #319 was one I grabbed. Dunno why. It is still in my collection for some reason but god was it terrible. Luckily, I revisited Thor's older stuff and have Simonson's run which really made me enjoy the character. |
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Post by tingramretro on Sept 25, 2015 9:10:31 GMT -5
Uncanny X-Men for pretty much the whole of the 1990s,particularly the middle part.
Actually, I think it started to go downhill as soon as Gambit arrived...
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Post by DE Sinclair on Sept 25, 2015 9:42:36 GMT -5
Avenger's is a good one. The bomber jacket era was hard to live through. When Busiek and Perez brought them back to glory in 1998 I was thrilled. I'd have to say that the run that soured me on comics for awhile was the horrendously pretentious and boring Incredible Hulk run by Bruce Jones. I only sampled a few issues, but reading those, and detailed reviews of the issues, irked me beyond belief. The Hulk as mysterious monster that you rarely see had to be the most idiotic conceit of the Quesada era. Here we have one of the most recognized superhero icons of all-time, a character that we've seen plastered on lunchbox's for years, and we're supposed to buy into him suddenly being as aloof as Bigfoot? It smacked of someone not wanting to really write the Hulk and summed up everything I hated about the depressing early Quesada era. I didn't give Marvel a shot again until Planet Hulk (which was great) and Annihilation (which was really great). I totally agree on the Avengers/bomber jacket era and I was also glad to have the revival that Misters Busiek and Perez brought us. Unfortunately, that series also took a nose-dive when Busiek left and Geoff Johns took over. The stories went downhill fast and the character assassinations that happened to She-Hulk, Ant Man, & Jack of Hearts under his pen were awful. Disassembled was even worse in my opinion, but in some ways it felt like a mercy killing. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 10:06:11 GMT -5
For me almost very DC & Marvel title in the 90's. Electric Superman. Az Bats. Erik Larsen Aquaman. Spider-Clone. Jones' Hulk. Marvel books involved in Heroes Reborn. I could go on & on.
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Post by DubipR on Sept 25, 2015 10:06:54 GMT -5
When I heard John Byrne was taking over Wonder Woman, I was thrilled... until I actually read his first issue. The next 3 years were painful, but I stuck through it. Catwoman was another 90's favorite that featured an array of great writers until editorial decided to sabotage it with one Bronwyn Carlton. During the asinine "One Year Later" gimmick, DC ruined two of its then best books - Aquaman and Hawkman - by replacing the creative teams with big name writers (both of which I normally love!) that drove both books into the ground before they were finally canceled. Agreed on all counts.
I had such high hopes for Byrne on Wonder Woman... that was a tough pill to swallow
Catwoman, well I would say before Cartlon, Devin Greyson's run was the beginning of the landslide into crapdom
I'm a Chaykin fan as well but having Simonson and Chaykin on Hawkgirl was down right terrible.
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Post by Calamas on Sept 25, 2015 10:21:21 GMT -5
I thought Denny O'Neil's runs on Iron Man and Daredevil were both horrendous, especially considering the runs that immediately preceded them (Michelinie/Layton and Miller, respectively). He drove me away from both titles. Frankly, I don't like anything he wrote at Marvel. He just didn't to gel with the characters or capture the Marvel feel. Cei-U! I summon the fish out of water! What about O'Neil's DC work? Just curious, I haven't read much of anything he's done, apart from a few of the Neal Adams Batman (that was O'Neil, wasn't it?). Truthfully, I'm just not a big fan of O'Neil. I liked most of his '70s Batman stuff and I'm probably one of the few who was sorry to see his post-Weisinger take on Superman end, but his Justice Leagues are mostly awful and I can't stand what he and Adams did to Green Lantern. And, to answer another poster's question further up the thread (I'm too lazy to go back and see who it was), I didn't like his Amazing Spider-Man scripts, although they were better than his Iron Mans or Daredevils. Cei-U! I summon the "meh"! I can’t speak for Iron Man but he took on Daredevil because, as its editor, he could find no one willing to follow Frank Miller. I liked his second run on Green Lantern/Green Arrow--the non-relevance issues with Grell/Saviuk--but I’ll agree there was nothing groundbreaking. But The Question with Denys Cowan is one of favorite runs. We concur on his Marvel work of that era. I found his Daredevil, Iron Man and Spider-Man extremely boring. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 11:28:18 GMT -5
I thought Denny O'Neil's runs on Iron Man and Daredevil were both horrendous, especially considering the runs that immediately preceded them (Michelinie/Layton and Miller, respectively). He drove me away from both titles. Frankly, I don't like anything he wrote at Marvel. He just didn't to gel with the characters or capture the Marvel feel. Cei-U! I summon the fish out of water! Quoted for truth. Hard to believe it was the same guy that wrote the 2 excellent Spider-Man annuals with Frank Miller art (Bend Sinister and Doc Ock/Punisher) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 11:29:39 GMT -5
From #1 to # 221 the Fantastic four was the Worlds greatest comic Magazine like the cover stated. But Moench and Bill Sienkiewicz took over and it was kinda crappy. I guess Marvel saw this and Byrne was used in # 232 to bring it back to it's roots. Hmm. I could maybe give you the first 100, but from there until the Byrne run was pretty much a wasteland IMHO - the Wolfman/Buckler period being a particular low point |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 11:36:54 GMT -5
Avengers bomber jacket era
Uncanny X-men Romita Jr era (I liked Paul Smith's art very much as was diappointed when he left the series)
New Teen Titans Eduardo Baretto era-present (I did enjoy Nicola Scott's art on Teen Titans several years ago)
Wonder Woman-John Byrne era
The New 52 Superboy
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Post by batlaw on Sept 25, 2015 12:07:03 GMT -5
Big easy answer... New52. Drove me away from everything DC I was reading and virtually all DC as a whole. One year later stunt also ended several DC series for me too (or during that timeframe at least as I recal). I think green lantern and batman books were all I kept getting after that. The end of the new krypton storyline ended my reading of superman too after a long hiatus from him before that.
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Post by Warmonger on Sept 25, 2015 12:18:53 GMT -5
X-Men as a whole after Claremont left
I know his run with Byrne/Cockrum is the pinnacle, but I dug the early 90's run with Jim Lee as well. Featured the best roster IMO.
Went to shit after that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 13:58:17 GMT -5
Bill Sienkiewicz on Moon Knight was very popular in the early 80's & he had the perfect art style for this character. I could not stay interested in the character after Bill left.
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 25, 2015 16:46:12 GMT -5
I thought Denny O'Neil's runs on Iron Man and Daredevil were both horrendous, especially considering the runs that immediately preceded them (Michelinie/Layton and Miller, respectively). He drove me away from both titles. Frankly, I don't like anything he wrote at Marvel. He just didn't to gel with the characters or capture the Marvel feel. Cei-U! I summon the fish out of water! Quoted for truth. Hard to believe it was the same guy that wrote the 2 excellent Spider-Man annuals with Frank Miller art (Bend Sinister and Doc Ock/Punisher) I forgot he wrote those (or did he simply dialogue over Miller's plots?). At any rate, I stand corrected: O'Neil DID produce at least two comics I liked while at Marvel. Cei-U! I summon the exceptions that prove the rule! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 16:56:20 GMT -5
The worst for me: Devin Grayson followed by Bruce Jones on Nightwing. My favorite character was ruined for awhile.
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