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Post by comicscube on Jul 16, 2014 22:00:20 GMT -5
I've never really forgiven him for destroying the Spider-marriage with the whole Mephisto/One More Day debacle. God, I sound like such a whiney fanboy saying that, but it is kinda true. Best thing to ever happen to Spider-Man. BAM! See that? That's a gauntlet, and I just threw it at you, Confessor Man!
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Post by comicscube on Jul 16, 2014 22:04:32 GMT -5
I don't think there's ever been a female Thor staring in the comic, unless you're counting Sif. Thor Girl was a supporting character at best. I agree Aaron has been great, I'm sad only in that I've been enjoying the current run so much, I'd rather not see it end. Hopefully it'll all tie together nicely. Thor survived the boring bland plainness that was Eric Masterson, so in comparison to that, there's really nowhere to go but up given the whole "other wielders of Mjolnir" thing. I didn't love Superior Spider-Man the way a lot of people did, but I thought it was solid and a good addition to a run I was already enjoying, and as much as I wish Brubaker ran with Steve longer, it's hard to deny the quality of the Bucky Cap stories. Marvel's pretty much been shooting a good field goal percentage for me lately (and even more than usual recently), so I can't really see myself not at the very least enjoying this. Admittedly, if DC pulled the same thing, I'd probably be rolling my eyes, but you know, that's what a track record gets you. Allowances if you're doing well, more eye rolling if you're not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2014 22:20:43 GMT -5
Jason Aaron has been producing an all-timer Thor run so far, so I believe in him.
But I usually tend to wait and read a comic before I declare it the worst idea ever
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Post by Jesse on Jul 17, 2014 1:34:39 GMT -5
So Joe Q publicly announced something on TV that was accidentally spoiled a month ago. Any one who actually cared already knew.
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Post by comicscube on Jul 17, 2014 1:42:14 GMT -5
So Joe Q publicly announced something on TV that was accidentally spoiled a month ago. Any one who actually cared already knew. Hey, if it brings it to the attention of people who loved Falcon in the movie and maybe get a percentage of them interested, I'm for it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 1:54:53 GMT -5
So Joe Q publicly announced something on TV that was accidentally spoiled a month ago. Any one who actually cared already knew. You're assuming all comic readers frequent comic news and gossip sites, and that's not really true. I'd bet that even among our members here, a significant majority don't check those sites, and didn't even when our community was at CBR. Some (gasp) wait and see what comes out and is on the shelf when they walk into a shop or only see things when they are picked up by national media or major shows (like Quesada on Colbert or Jimmy Fallon last time, or the View announcement, etc. or Entertainment Weekly doing articles on Avengers Now etc. Again just anecdotal here, but I'd say about half the pull customers at our shop never go to comics newssites and the only time they know new series are coming are when we promote them in shop based on pages from Previews we use, when they get the freebie postcards or see the promo posters we get from Diamond, or when they get house ads/write up in the actual comics themselves. For a lot of our customers, comics are something they enjoy, but don't go out of their way to inform themselves about upcoming events/series/etc. I wish they did, and that they then told us what they wanted to buy in advance, it would make doing the orders so much easier, but most don't have a clue about new stuff until after we have had to place the order for it with Diamond. -M
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Post by comicscube on Jul 17, 2014 2:07:46 GMT -5
Not all fans are as obsessed as we are and check on the developments on a daily basis?
SAY IT AIN'T SO!
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Post by Jasoomian on Jul 17, 2014 2:59:39 GMT -5
Quesada gave Colbert Cap's shield the last time he was on. I'm seeing The Falcon's promotion being played up as the "first black Captain America", but there was another one in 2003, Isaiah Bradley from the miniseries Truth: Red, White & Blue, which mashed up the super-soldier serum with Tuskegee. Also, Storm was briefly Thor during the Asgardian Wars. Again just anecdotal here, but I'd say about half the pull customers at our shop never go to comics newssites and the only time they know new series are coming are when we promote them in shop based on pages from Previews we use, when they get the freebie postcards or see the promo posters we get from Diamond, or when they get house ads/write up in the actual comics themselves. For a lot of our customers, comics are something they enjoy, but don't go out of their way to inform themselves about upcoming events/series/etc. Maybe you should do like my LCS and slip a copy of COMIC SHOP NEWS in with each purchase. I like that I can read the Spidey daily strip in there too.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 17, 2014 6:47:56 GMT -5
I've never really forgiven him for destroying the Spider-marriage with the whole Mephisto/One More Day debacle. God, I sound like such a whiney fanboy saying that, but it is kinda true. My problem with Quesada stems from the philosophy he instituted where he basically stated that every mainstream Marvel comic should be similar to Watchmen and DKR's. I love those stories, but I never wanted every comic to read like them. He also went on a rant early in his tenure (forgive me for forgetting the topic) about how he doesn't care about history and so on. This struck me as an incredibly lunk-headed, anti-intellectual stance for someone in charge of Marvel Comics. Roy Thomas he ain't.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 17, 2014 7:28:06 GMT -5
Every superhero comic book story could be called a stunt. The only difference being the level of marketing if gets, and the level of cynicism the reader brings to it. Hmmm...perhaps. But I still maintain that one instinctively knows a "cheap" stunt when one sees/hears about one. Best thing to ever happen to Spider-Man. BAM! See that? That's a gauntlet, and I just threw it at you, Confessor Man! Oh lordy! If you really believe that, then we obviously have such opposing views on what makes Spider-Man -- and, dare I say it, superhero comics in general -- work that it's probably best for everyone if we don't engage on the subject of the web-slinger. I didn't love Superior Spider-Man the way a lot of people did, but I thought it was solid and a good addition to a run I was already enjoying That's sort of how I felt. I found the idea of Doc Ock replacing Peter Parker an interesting one and, at times, it made for some really entertaining comics. Having said that, I was definitely ready for it to end and Peter to come back after a year's worth of Superior Spider-Man. To be honest, six months would've been ample time to have told all the stories that Slott wanted to tell and to shake up things enough that it refreshed the title. Hell, in the Bronze Age they'd've told that story in 6 issues! He also went on a rant early in his tenure (forgive me for forgetting the topic) about how he doesn't care about history and so on. This struck me as an incredibly lunk-headed, anti-intellectual stance for someone in charge of Marvel Comics. Roy Thomas he ain't. (emphasis mine)Well, that explains a lot! I think that any fan -- and especially any comic book professional -- who says that they don't care about character history or continuity, is really missing a trick. With a comic being published every month, 12 months of every year, for years on end sometimes, an incredibly rich and convoluted backstory is one of the things that is pretty much unique to comics as a story-telling medium. The only other medium that can come close is weekly radio serials/soap operas. TV programs, films or books, by dint of their season breaks or the years that may elapse between published installments of a given franchise, can't give us that kind of regular, 'every month come rain or shine' continuity that comic books can. The incredibly rich history that comic book characters amass over a period of years or even decades is, in my view, one of the key strengths of the medium. Creators should seize that and run with it, not disregard it and treat it as some kind of story-telling hindrance. A good writer/artist can make that continuity work wonders for a character. Sorry, getting off topic a bit here. But I just had to address this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 7:29:41 GMT -5
Not everyone can be as boring as Roy Thomas
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Post by travishedgecoke on Jul 17, 2014 8:56:55 GMT -5
I get the impetus behind "it's a stunt," but all good stories, all pitches are stunts. You pitch a story because it sounds exciting, that's the only reason to pitch or tell a story, really. It's intriguing. It's exciting. That's it. I don't think there's ever been a female Thor staring in the comic, unless you're counting Sif. Thor Girl was a supporting character at best. I agree Aaron has been great, I'm sad only in that I've been enjoying the current run so much, I'd rather not see it end. Hopefully it'll all tie together nicely. Well, Val. And, Jane Foster in What if Jane Foster Etc with the cover sketch that made Kirby and Cockrum fight. But, it depends on what we mean by "female Thor." We haven't seen an actual female named Thor who's a god of lightning and hammer-fighting starring in a comic before, no. There've been comics with female mythological leads. I think that was actually half of Virgin's output. He's been a frog, before, and replaced by both a drunk, a kind of dope, and a guy with a skinned horse head for a - um - head. And, that's just at Marvel.
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Post by Dizzy D on Jul 17, 2014 9:03:31 GMT -5
I get the impetus behind "it's a stunt," but all good stories, all pitches are stunts. You pitch a story because it sounds exciting, that's the only reason to pitch or tell a story, really. It's intriguing. It's exciting. That's it. I don't think there's ever been a female Thor staring in the comic, unless you're counting Sif. Thor Girl was a supporting character at best. I agree Aaron has been great, I'm sad only in that I've been enjoying the current run so much, I'd rather not see it end. Hopefully it'll all tie together nicely. Well, Val. And, Jane Foster in What if Jane Foster Etc with the cover sketch that made Kirby and Cockrum fight. But, it depends on what we mean by "female Thor." We haven't seen an actual female named Thor who's a god of lightning and hammer-fighting starring in a comic before, no. There've been comics with female mythological leads. I think that was actually half of Virgin's output. He's been a frog, before, and replaced by both a drunk, a kind of dope, and a guy with a skinned horse head for a - um - head. And, that's just at Marvel. Earth X had Thor turned into a woman.
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Post by paulie on Jul 17, 2014 9:34:59 GMT -5
My Marvel is FF #1 to Shooter getting fired. Simple as that. Once stories get stretched out beyond 25 years (!) you're wayyyyyyy into Days of Our Lives territory.
Boo to Joe Quesada.
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Post by comicscube on Jul 17, 2014 10:26:21 GMT -5
My Marvel is FF #1 to Shooter getting fired. Simple as that. Once stories get stretched out beyond 25 years (!) you're wayyyyyyy into Days of Our Lives territory. Boo to Joe Quesada. I have multiple favorite eras of Marvel. This is one of them. Yay to Joe Quesada!
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