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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 17, 2014 11:57:53 GMT -5
What will they do I wonder? Slap a #1 on it,double the price for this extra special issue,produce 20 Variant versions and in about a year revert back to the original character, slap a #1 on it,double the price for this extra special issue,produce 20 Variant versions and we all have a good time. Hooray for Joe Q I swear I believe that in the Marvel editorial office they have a bunch of Wheel-Of-Fortunes with pictures of Marvel characters.One wheel for death,one for revive,one for change color,one for change gender and on and on.Then they have their editorial confrences and take turns spinning it How, exactly, does any of that affect a story? Are we really going to criticize a company for trying to maximize profit? Is there a market for variant covers? Yes, there is. What're they gonna do, leave money on the table? How do you know it's editorial? Superior Spider-Man was Slott's idea; marketing ran with it. Bucky coming back was Brubaker's idea; Quesada let him run wild with it. How do the variant covers, the new #1s, how do those affect your reading? Why should they affect your readng at all? I buy singles for Spider-Man and Daredevil; both relaunched recently. It affected my reading and my enjoyment not a bit. It's so silly; it's literally getting mad at the number on the cover. for the stuff I buy in trades, it's even less important. I have no clue what issues of Journey into Mystery the Sif issues were. To me, it's just the Sif story where she's nuts and the Sif story with Beta Ray Bill. What do I do with variant covers? I don't buy them. There's a market for them. It's not me. Am I going to say that market is wrong for existing? That Marvel is wrong for catering to that market? No, 'cause that would be weird. There is indeed a market for it, but for some reason Image and Dark Horse rarely, if ever, debase themselves by issuing crap like scratch-and-sniff covers. (I kid you not.) I'm not anti-Marvel, I'm currently enjoying Silver Surfer, Savage Hulk and Thor: God of Thunder, but Marvel (and DC) are only slightly less shameless than they were in the 90's. (To be fair, I'm almost certain that 95% of this crap is mandated above the editorial level.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 12:06:23 GMT -5
Even if that were true, Image and Dark Horse also account for about 5% of the industry combined.
But Image does multiple variants for their books. Image invented variants
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 17, 2014 12:21:08 GMT -5
I come down on Marvel more than other companies for the reason that they have been #1 for quite a while and you would think they would have some stake in the future of the comics industry.Some reason to improve and expand the format.Instead I see shameless,cynical,manipulative greed.They've chosen to just about halt all non-superhero genres.They were the first to drive prices up to $3.99 and cut pages of art.They stopped creating new characters-just morphed existing characters in new sizes,shapes and colors.
I see companies like Image actually being creative with new concepts that helps the industry by having diversity of material. I see Marvel spitting out Avengers titles like watermelon pits.
And yes when Roy Thomas was editor he helmed a company that was trying new formats like magazines and digests.He encouraged and helped new characters to be launched in their own titles.He brought in sword & sorcery,horror books,SF books,humor books-he wanted to try new ideas in hopes of a new bestseller.How you can say Roy Thomas was boring compared to Quesada's editorship is stunning.Or maybe Red Hulk and Red She-Hulk were genius innovations?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 12:28:48 GMT -5
If talking positively about things I genuinely enjoy makes me a cheerleader, so be it. I like comics, I don't let covers that exist bother me by existing. If being positive makes me a cheerleader, what's that make you? An adult? |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 17, 2014 12:29:26 GMT -5
Even if that were true, Image and Dark Horse also account for about 5% of the industry combined. But Image does multiple variants for their books. Image invented variants Overall $ shares including graphics, Image is at 9% and climbing.Dark Horse and IDW each are close to 6% each.Marvel and DC sales have been falling for the last year while the other companiies,specifically Image have been rising.This according to Comichron.com |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 12:31:40 GMT -5
Roy Thomas presided over an era that nearly put Marvel out of business. The books were always late, creators out of control, editors writing their own books with no oversight. It's not hyperbole, Marvel was losing money to the point that they were on the verge of shutting down.
Maybe if you want to talk about Jim Shooter, who revived the company to the point where they absolutely dominated DCin sales in the early part of the 80s, you might have a legitimate argument.
All Quesada did was bring the company out of bankruptcy to the point where Disney bought Marvel for hundreds of millions.
But yes, they do make extra covers that their customers seem to enjoy buying from them. A pox on them all!
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 17, 2014 12:32:45 GMT -5
If talking positively about things I genuinely enjoy makes me a cheerleader, so be it. I like comics, I don't let covers that exist bother me by existing. If being positive makes me a cheerleader, what's that make you? An adult? I think this line of conversation can occur with out exchanges like this guys, come on, we're better than this aren't we? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 12:33:37 GMT -5
No?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 12:33:49 GMT -5
If talking positively about things I genuinely enjoy makes me a cheerleader, so be it. I like comics, I don't let covers that exist bother me by existing. If being positive makes me a cheerleader, what's that make you? An adult? If logging on to the internet to complain about comics makes you an adult, I'll happily be a cheerleader |
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Post by paulie on Jul 17, 2014 12:39:09 GMT -5
Ah, come on. Roy has done a lot of great stuff: Conan, Avengers, X-men, etc. Hell, Roy's been a part of more great Marvel runs than all the good runs of the Quesada era combined. (I can't prove this...but I shouldn't have to.) That is incorrect
Roy helmed 115 issues of Conan, 60 of Savage Sword, The Avengers when they featured the stunning Buscema-Palmer run and the Kree-Skrull war, The issues of X-Men with Neal Adams, The first 30 issues of the underrated Sub-Mariner series, an excellent run of Thor with John Buscema, plus his return to Conan and Savage Sword in the late 80s which were both great.
That's a lot of good comics.
You're not our first troll are you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 12:40:26 GMT -5
If logging on to the internet to complain about comics makes you an adult, I'll happily be a cheerleader I suspect Ish logs on for other reasons, too. Nothing against you, but having a friend -- or, hell, an enemy (he is a Yankees fan ...) -- criticized because he dares fail to fanboyishly salute when Joe effing Quesda, of all bloody stupid people, runs some half-baked idea up the flagpole is always going to make me bridle. I suspect you'll somehow be able to soldier on, though. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 17, 2014 12:43:14 GMT -5
Roy Thomas presided over an era that nearly put Marvel out of business. The books were always late, creators out of control, editors writing their own books with no oversight. It's not hyperbole, Marvel was losing money to the point that they were on the verge of shutting down. Maybe if you want to talk about Jim Shooter, who revived the company to the point where they absolutely dominated DCin sales in the early part of the 80s, you might have a legitimate argument. All Quesada did was bring the company out of bankruptcy to the point where Disney bought Marvel for hundreds of millions. But yes, they do make extra covers that their customers seem to enjoy buying from them. A pox on them all! You do know that Marvel became the #1 comics publisher under Roy Thomas regime in the early 70s? Some books might have been late but nothing like these days.Seen Hawkeye recently? Creators out of control? Who are you referring to? And what do you mean by out of control?Running around in the hallways? The comics industry as a whole was being challenged at the newstands and then Roy Thomas swung a deal with George Lucas and made Marvel a ton of money with Star Wars Disney bought Marvel for its intellectual properties and merchandising potential.On many characters Roy Thomas helped develope.Quesada or the comics had nothing to do with it |
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Post by paulie on Jul 17, 2014 12:44:04 GMT -5
If logging on to the internet to complain about comics makes you an adult, I'll happily be a cheerleader I suspect Ish logs on for other reasons, too. Nothing against you, but having a friend -- or, hell, an enemy (he is a Yankees fan ...) -- criticized because he dares fail to fanboyishly salute when Joe effing Quesda, of all bloody stupid people, runs some half-baked idea up the flagpole is always going to make me bridle. I suspect you'll somehow be able to soldier on, though. Well-said.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 12:44:24 GMT -5
Roy helmed 115 issues of Conan, 60 of Savage Sword, The Avengers when they featured the stunning Buscema-Palmer run and the Kree-Skrull war, The issues of X-Men with Neal Adams, The first 30 issues of the underrated Sub-Mariner series, an excellent run of Thor with John Buscema, plus his return to Conan and Savage Sword in the late 80s which were both great.
That's a lot of good comics.
You're not our first troll are you?
I don't know I just joined here |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 12:46:43 GMT -5
Name-calling is usually the tactic of those incapable of backing up their own opinion, and suggests an intellectual deficiency on their behalf. It's also impossible to debate with, because there's no reasonable response.
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