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Post by comicscube on Jul 17, 2014 10:31:42 GMT -5
Also, history may be important, but not anywhere near the level Roy Thomas imposes on it.
If one knows a cheap stunt when one sees/hears it, then by the standards of the internet, everything is a cheap stunt, Age of Apocalypse was cheap, Amalgam should have never been done...
JLA/Avengers was the biggest gimmick possible, and it's one of my favorite comics ever.
The attention-grabbing isn't necessarily good or bad. It's just attention-grabbing. What matters is what people do with it.
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Post by comicscube on Jul 17, 2014 10:35:30 GMT -5
Hell, in the Bronze Age they'd've told that story in 6 issues!  In addition to social media, this is the main reason I think people just go insane when big shaking news comes out. By all accounts, Slott wanted to do the brainswap in Amazing, run with it for a while, and just put Peter back in. But marketing ran with it, changed the title, and it WORKED because it gave the illusion of permanence. Again, casual fans and newcomer I get being flabbergasted at the whole thing, but longtime fans who've been around the block, who know the tricks of the trade? I don't get it. At all. |
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Post by comicscube on Jul 17, 2014 10:37:43 GMT -5
Oh lordy! If you really believe that, then we obviously have such opposing views on what makes Spider-Man -- and, dare I say it, superhero comics in general -- work that it's probably best for everyone if we don't engage on the subject of the web-slinger. NO ACKNOWLEDGE MY CORRECTNESS |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 17, 2014 10:42:53 GMT -5
The attention-grabbing isn't necessarily good or bad. It's just attention-grabbing. What matters is what people do with it. What will they do I wonder? Slap a #1 on it,double the price for this extra special issue,produce 20 Variant versions and in about a year revert back to the original character, slap a #1 on it,double the price for this extra special issue,produce 20 Variant versions and we all have a good time. Hooray for Joe Q I swear I believe that in the Marvel editorial office they have a bunch of Wheel-Of-Fortunes with pictures of Marvel characters.One wheel for death,one for revive,one for change color,one for change gender and on and on.Then they have their editorial confrences and take turns spinning it |
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Post by Pharozonk on Jul 17, 2014 10:48:12 GMT -5
Not everyone can be as boring as Roy Thomas Beyond being a great editor, Roy is pretty great guy in person. I met him at a con a few months ago and he signed suitcases full of books for free and was friendly with everyone in line. Plus, he's a really vivid storyteller at panels and really engages the audience. |
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Post by comicscube on Jul 17, 2014 10:58:36 GMT -5
The attention-grabbing isn't necessarily good or bad. It's just attention-grabbing. What matters is what people do with it. What will they do I wonder? Slap a #1 on it,double the price for this extra special issue,produce 20 Variant versions and in about a year revert back to the original character, slap a #1 on it,double the price for this extra special issue,produce 20 Variant versions and we all have a good time. Hooray for Joe Q I swear I believe that in the Marvel editorial office they have a bunch of Wheel-Of-Fortunes with pictures of Marvel characters.One wheel for death,one for revive,one for change color,one for change gender and on and on.Then they have their editorial confrences and take turns spinning it How, exactly, does any of that affect a story? Are we really going to criticize a company for trying to maximize profit? Is there a market for variant covers? Yes, there is. What're they gonna do, leave money on the table? How do you know it's editorial? Superior Spider-Man was Slott's idea; marketing ran with it. Bucky coming back was Brubaker's idea; Quesada let him run wild with it. How do the variant covers, the new #1s, how do those affect your reading? Why should they affect your readng at all? I buy singles for Spider-Man and Daredevil; both relaunched recently. It affected my reading and my enjoyment not a bit. It's so silly; it's literally getting mad at the number on the cover. for the stuff I buy in trades, it's even less important. I have no clue what issues of Journey into Mystery the Sif issues were. To me, it's just the Sif story where she's nuts and the Sif story with Beta Ray Bill. What do I do with variant covers? I don't buy them. There's a market for them. It's not me. Am I going to say that market is wrong for existing? That Marvel is wrong for catering to that market? No, 'cause that would be weird. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 11:03:14 GMT -5
Not everyone can be as boring as Roy Thomas Beyond being a great editor, Roy is pretty great guy in person. I met him at a con a few months ago and he signed suitcases full of books for free and was friendly with everyone in line. Plus, he's a really vivid storyteller at panels and really engages the audience. Sounds like a good guy, but his comics are still dreadfully boring |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 11:03:44 GMT -5
The attention-grabbing isn't necessarily good or bad. It's just attention-grabbing. What matters is what people do with it. What will they do I wonder? Slap a #1 on it,double the price for this extra special issue,produce 20 Variant versions and in about a year revert back to the original character, slap a #1 on it,double the price for this extra special issue,produce 20 Variant versions and we all have a good time. Hooray for Joe Q I swear I believe that in the Marvel editorial office they have a bunch of Wheel-Of-Fortunes with pictures of Marvel characters.One wheel for death,one for revive,one for change color,one for change gender and on and on.Then they have their editorial confrences and take turns spinning it Comics sound very stressful for you |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 17, 2014 11:10:53 GMT -5
What will they do I wonder? Slap a #1 on it,double the price for this extra special issue,produce 20 Variant versions and in about a year revert back to the original character, slap a #1 on it,double the price for this extra special issue,produce 20 Variant versions and we all have a good time. Hooray for Joe Q I swear I believe that in the Marvel editorial office they have a bunch of Wheel-Of-Fortunes with pictures of Marvel characters.One wheel for death,one for revive,one for change color,one for change gender and on and on.Then they have their editorial confrences and take turns spinning it Comics sound very stressful for you Not at all Ben.I just don't wear a cheerleader costume anymore and shake my pom-poms |
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Post by comicscube on Jul 17, 2014 11:16:01 GMT -5
Comics sound very stressful for you Not at all Ben.I just don't wear a cheerleader costume anymore and shake my pom-poms It all sounds like really silly and inconsequential things to be expending so much negative energy at, but what do I know, here I am expending energy at telling you it sounds silly and inconsequential to be expending so much negative energy at. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 11:26:00 GMT -5
I just don't wear a cheerleader costume anymore and shake my pom-poms Except at Yankees games, presumably. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 17, 2014 11:51:07 GMT -5
I just don't wear a cheerleader costume anymore and shake my pom-poms Except at Yankees games, presumably. If Derek Jeter was to be the new Thor then I'd be cheering it on |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 17, 2014 11:52:19 GMT -5
Not everyone can be as boring as Roy Thomas Ah, come on. Roy has done a lot of great stuff: Conan, Avengers, X-men, etc. Hell, Roy's been a part of more great Marvel runs than all the good runs of the Quesada era combined. (I can't prove this...but I shouldn't have to.) |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 11:56:12 GMT -5
If talking positively about things I genuinely enjoy makes me a cheerleader, so be it. I like comics, I don't let covers that exist bother me by existing.
If being positive makes me a cheerleader, what's that make you?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 11:57:24 GMT -5
Not everyone can be as boring as Roy Thomas Ah, come on. Roy has done a lot of great stuff: Conan, Avengers, X-men, etc. Hell, Roy's been a part of more great Marvel runs than all the good runs of the Quesada era combined. (I can't prove this...but I shouldn't have to.) That is incorrect |
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