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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 22:53:47 GMT -5
12 $4 issues a year is a $48 dollar investment to follow a title like Batman for a year.
Now 24 $3 issues is a $72 investment to follow the same title.
The monthly books are the same ones that were already $2.99 for the most part, so not saving there. So it's a 50% increase in cost to follow the same title if its bi-weekly. That's not really consumer friendly there or likely to bring in a casual audience. It will however shift marketshare numbers for the direct market to look better in the short term and keep people in middle/upper management their jobs like EiC, Publishers, Creative Directors, etc. at least until market attrition sets in and sales slip again and they have to jury rig the next thing to bump sales.
At it's heart that's all this is, a marketshare grab to save face. We may get some good comics out of it, we may not, but it will only last until the marketshare starts to dwindle again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 22:56:16 GMT -5
Oh and it looks like DC is planning a big panel at WonderCon in LA at the end of March to announce creative team details on some of the books, so don't expect any announcements of who is doing books until then.
To hondobrode, I've already outlined how I would develop product formats for a larger market in other threads all over this form, so forgive me if I don't type it all up again.
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Post by Randle-El on Feb 18, 2016 23:02:20 GMT -5
12 $4 issues a year is a $48 dollar investment to follow a title like Batman for a year. Now 24 $3 issues is a $72 investment to follow the same title. The monthly books are the same ones that were already $2.99 for the most part, so not saving there. So it's a 50% increase in cost to follow the same title if its bi-weekly. That's not really consumer friendly there or likely to bring in a casual audience. It will however shift marketshare numbers for the direct market to look better in the short term and keep people in middle/upper management their jobs like EiC, Publishers, Creative Directors, etc. at least until market attrition sets in and sales slip again and they have to jury rig the next thing to bump sales. At it's heart that's all this is, a marketshare grab to save face. We may get some good comics out of it, we may not, but it will only last until the marketshare starts to dwindle again. -M Great analysis. I was reading comments over at CBR in response to the lowered price point and I was amused to see how many people are happy at the so-called price reduction, not realizing that it is, in effect, a price INCREASE, since the $2.99 at 1 issue per month are titles that would have been $2.99 anyway, while the bimonthly titles are the formerly $3.99 titles. I'm sure there's some justification in saying that you're still getting more content for that extra $3 a month on the core DCU titles, but the cynical part of me is wondering what DC will start doing a bait-and-switch on those bimonthly $2.99 books. It reminds of when DC increased the price on N52 Batman from $2.99 to $3.99, justified it by saying they were adding back-up stories, then dropped the back-ups while retaining the $3.99 price. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 23:04:04 GMT -5
Now this might be a step in the right direction- DC to reimburse shops for advertising costs for RebirthI just see one big problem-most small shops who could benefit the most form this don't have the liquid capital resources available to front the money to advertise-they would be unable to meet monthyl expenses while waiting for the reimbursement to come from DC. It's a nice gesture, but impractical considering the nature of finances for most lcs. Now if DC were to front the money for advertising i.e. make it available on the front end not the back end, that would be huge. -M |
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 18, 2016 23:30:40 GMT -5
12 $4 issues a year is a $48 dollar investment to follow a title like Batman for a year. Now 24 $3 issues is a $72 investment to follow the same title. The monthly books are the same ones that were already $2.99 for the most part, so not saving there. So it's a 50% increase in cost to follow the same title if its bi-weekly. That's not really consumer friendly there or likely to bring in a casual audience. It will however shift marketshare numbers for the direct market to look better in the short term and keep people in middle/upper management their jobs like EiC, Publishers, Creative Directors, etc. at least until market attrition sets in and sales slip again and they have to jury rig the next thing to bump sales. At it's heart that's all this is, a marketshare grab to save face. We may get some good comics out of it, we may not, but it will only last until the marketshare starts to dwindle again. -M Great analysis. I was reading comments over at CBR in response to the lowered price point and I was amused to see how many people are happy at the so-called price reduction, not realizing that it is, in effect, a price INCREASE, since the $2.99 at 1 issue per month are titles that would have been $2.99 anyway, while the bimonthly titles are the formerly $3.99 titles. I'm sure there's some justification in saying that you're still getting more content for that extra $3 a month on the core DCU titles, but the cynical part of me is wondering what DC will start doing a bait-and-switch on those bimonthly $2.99 books. It reminds of when DC increased the price on N52 Batman from $2.99 to $3.99, justified it by saying they were adding back-up stories, then dropped the back-ups while retaining the $3.99 price. How many pages will we be getting for that $2.99? I hope it's 20 pages of content, but I'm not going to be surprised if it is 17 or 18. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2016 23:44:18 GMT -5
How many pages will we be getting for that $2.99? I hope it's 20 pages of content, but I'm not going to be surprised if it is 17 or 18. Nothing has been said yet, only that the DC Rebirth one-shot released on May 25th will be 80 pages for $2.99. That I can get behind  -M |
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Post by Randle-El on Feb 19, 2016 0:09:32 GMT -5
I would be surprised if they trimmed below 20 pages. Here's what I would not be surprised to see for the bimonthly books:
-Switching to self-cover like Marvel did a few years ago
-Switching to cheaper paper all around
-More ads
-Art by committee
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Post by Golddragon71 on Feb 19, 2016 1:02:58 GMT -5
My concern is the possible cherry picking we'll see in ragrds to who gets a rebirth as a result of REBIRTH. during the video, an image was seen of Flash #1 from 1987 (Wally's Run) as most of you know, I have always been a huge fan of the original Wally West (Not to say I don't like the new one! He is growing on me especially since his attainment of powers seems to follow an idea I had for re-introducing a more classic version of a de-aged Wally into the New52 prior to NuWally's announced debut) In Convergance we got Wally from the Tail End of his run (pre-Flash:Rebirth) My question is, which Wally (aside from NuWally) will we have moving forward? Will We have 80's Wally?  90's Wally?  2000's Wally?  or Post: Rebirth Wally?  This DCU Rebirth has me both optimistic and concerned at the same time. I'm elated that the older books are getting their original numbering back well in time for Action Comics 1000th issue That's the most important part of this in my mind, restoring the History of the DCU not only as far as storyline continuity but also in the longevity of it's Titles. On the other hand, I'm worried we'll get fractured shards of the previous DCU and not a whole recognizable universe that will be incorporated into the new Multiverse. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 19, 2016 4:58:52 GMT -5
What I'm wondering is if this aplies to Vertigo : The latest wave of new titles saw a historical price increase on Vertigo titles, from 2.99 to 3.99. Will those go back to 2.99? Because nowadays, most Image titles (the new Vertigeldorado) are still at 2.99.
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 19, 2016 20:46:13 GMT -5
Golddragon71 you left out Kid Flash Wally.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 16:33:17 GMT -5
I am waiting to see creative teams & which version of characters will be in the books.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Feb 20, 2016 17:08:45 GMT -5
I am waiting to see creative teams & which version of characters will be in the books. Right. I don't actually care about ANY of the stuff that's been announced. Who are the creators and what's their take? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 17:17:51 GMT -5
Oh and it looks like DC is planning a big panel at WonderCon in LA at the end of March to announce creative team details on some of the books, so don't expect any announcements of who is doing books until then. To hondobrode, I've already outlined how I would develop product formats for a larger market in other threads all over this form, so forgive me if I don't type it all up again. -M For those who are wanting creative team announcements, I'll quote what I said earlier... the wait is obviously calculated to get fan(boys) to a fever pitch of speculation and investing in the launch before they give actual details so even if creative teams are underwhelming the core base will already be hooked in... -M |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 20, 2016 20:22:43 GMT -5
I'm thrilled they're going to have $2.99 comics. I don't care about the double shipping. For one thing, who knows if they'll really pull that off. Second, if it's a good comic, why would you NOT want more of them? Yes, it's more dolllars per title but there are signifigantly fewer titles. I think that's what people say they want. I count about 30 titles.. that seems perfect. If some things double ship sometimes, fine. If not, that's plenty of room for some mini series, or pseudo minis that they claim are ongoings at first if they want to do some expirimenting.
I'm willing to buy 2 $2.99 comics for a month or two to see if it's good. If it's not, I'll drop it. If it is, I'm happy it's double shipping. That's MUCH better than a $4.99 #1 and $3.99 after.
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 20, 2016 21:09:46 GMT -5
Oh and it looks like DC is planning a big panel at WonderCon in LA at the end of March to announce creative team details on some of the books, so don't expect any announcements of who is doing books until then. To hondobrode, I've already outlined how I would develop product formats for a larger market in other threads all over this form, so forgive me if I don't type it all up again. -M For those who are wanting creative team announcements, I'll quote what I said earlier... the wait is obviously calculated to get fan(boys) to a fever pitch of speculation and investing in the launch before they give actual details so even if creative teams are underwhelming the core base will already be hooked in... -M Since I'm just going to be underwhelmed anyway, they might as well not tell me who the creative team is until I pick up the comic in the shop. Let's be honest, if you're buying more than 20 DC comics every month right now, you've pretty much proven that creative teams don't matter that much to you. Rebirth is aimed at people that buy a lot of DC, are buying for the characters and have done so for many years. Relevant commentary from Todd Allen at The Beat |
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