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Post by Randle-El on Feb 20, 2016 21:10:32 GMT -5
I'm thrilled they're going to have $2.99 comics. I don't care about the double shipping. For one thing, who knows if they'll really pull that off. Second, if it's a good comic, why would you NOT want more of them? Yes, it's more dolllars per title but there are signifigantly fewer titles. I think that's what people say they want. I count about 30 titles.. that seems perfect. If some things double ship sometimes, fine. If not, that's plenty of room for some mini series, or pseudo minis that they claim are ongoings at first if they want to do some expirimenting. I'm willing to buy 2 $2.99 comics for a month or two to see if it's good. If it's not, I'll drop it. If it is, I'm happy it's double shipping. That's MUCH better than a $4.99 #1 and $3.99 after. I don't like double shipping because it's virtually impossible to have a consistent art team. You have to have rotating artists, or you have to have art by committee. While the former is preferable to the latter, it still presents problems because sometimes it can present jarring and abrupt changes to the look and feel of the book. Exhibit A: Charles Soule's She-Hulk drawn by Javier Pulido vs. Ron Wimberly, and that wasn't even a double shipping book. Javier Pulido  Ron Wimberly  One of the things I look for when adding a book to my pull list is knowing that it will likely have a consistent art team. Whatever else one may think about his art, I have to give a lot of credit to someone like Greg Capullo who drew nearly every single issue of his run on Batman -- I think he only took a couple of issues off. The other thing I don't like about double shipping is that it essentially takes up two spots on my pull list. There are already a lot more books I want to follow than my time and finances allow, so I'd rather be able to sample as many different titles as I can instead of getting more of the same -- especially if that more will be of lesser quality than it would be if the book were monthly. |
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Feb 21, 2016 3:08:40 GMT -5
Whatever else one may think about his art, I have to give a lot of credit to someone like Greg Capullo who drew nearly every single issue of his run on Batman -- I think he only took a couple of issues off. The downside of Capullo's efficiency and work ethic is that it has actually impacted his health, as he was admitted to an ER for a suspected heart attack that turned out to "just" be extreme stress after working 16 hour days with no days off. After that his schedule had to be adjusted to make room for more breaks and days off. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Feb 21, 2016 7:51:17 GMT -5
What I'm only concerned with is if the vertigo titles will also go back to 2.99 like they used to do until less then 6 months ago.
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Post by tingramretro on Feb 21, 2016 8:48:53 GMT -5
If they bring back the original JSA, history intact, I'll buy it. If not, I won't. At this point, I've pretty much lost interest in the rest of DC. They lost me back in September 2011 after 36 years as a reader and fan. I can't see myself going back now.
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Post by Gene on Feb 21, 2016 9:40:39 GMT -5
DC has confirmed Jim Lee as one of the rotating artists on Suicide Squad.
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 21, 2016 9:52:55 GMT -5
If they bring back the original JSA, history intact, I'll buy it. If not, I won't. At this point, I've pretty much lost interest in the rest of DC. They lost me back in September 2011 after 36 years as a reader and fan. I can't see myself going back now. I think they're just sticking with Earth-2 Society, if they somehow manage to weave it into a relaunch of JSA, then they'll have my attention. Because I've heard nothing but mixed opinions about E2S, regardless of how intrigued I was by the Sandman legion  |
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Post by tingramretro on Feb 21, 2016 10:55:48 GMT -5
If they bring back the original JSA, history intact, I'll buy it. If not, I won't. At this point, I've pretty much lost interest in the rest of DC. They lost me back in September 2011 after 36 years as a reader and fan. I can't see myself going back now. I think they're just sticking with Earth-2 Society, if they somehow manage to weave it into a relaunch of JSA, then they'll have my attention. Because I've heard nothing but mixed opinions about E2S, regardless of how intrigued I was by the Sandman legion That isn't any Earth Two I recognize or am interested in reading about. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 21, 2016 11:31:11 GMT -5
Good point about the artists, Randle-el. They definitely need to either be a match, or be done-in-one stories for it to work properly... that She-Hulk example is terrible, I definitely wouldn't like that!
My point is that double shipping isn't evil.. it can be great if done well... Slott's Superior Spidey (Which I know not everyone liked) came with like 20 issues in a year and told a very good story... not a problem for me that it was done quickly... less waiting is good!
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Post by Randle-El on Feb 21, 2016 14:58:25 GMT -5
Good point about the artists, Randle-el. They definitely need to either be a match, or be done-in-one stories for it to work properly... that She-Hulk example is terrible, I definitely wouldn't like that! My point is that double shipping isn't evil.. it can be great if done well... Slott's Superior Spidey (Which I know not everyone liked) came with like 20 issues in a year and told a very good story... not a problem for me that it was done quickly... less waiting is good! In full disclosure, I did get most of Slott's run on Amazing Spidey and Superior in single issue form. But when I dropped it, it was because of double shipping, not because I didn't enjoy it. It got to the point where I wanted to add more books, and dropping Spidey would free up two spots on my pull list. Now that I have Marvel Unlimited, it's a moot point since I keep up with Spidey digitally and at a much cheaper rate. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2016 14:59:31 GMT -5
Good point about the artists, Randle-el. They definitely need to either be a match, or be done-in-one stories for it to work properly... that She-Hulk example is terrible, I definitely wouldn't like that! My point is that double shipping isn't evil.. it can be great if done well... Slott's Superior Spidey (Which I know not everyone liked) came with like 20 issues in a year and told a very good story... not a problem for me that it was done quickly... less waiting is good! The difference is the Spider-office and Slott were trained by Steve Wacker as editor. Wacker runs a tight ship, has everything planned out ahead with his writer so several arcs are written ahead and artistic teams that rotate can be working on more than 1 arc at a time, so books are in the can and ready to go long before deadlines are an issue. DC has a track record over the last 4 years of not running a tight ship, several books adding or changing creative teams between solicitation and release, gangs of pencillers or inkers being brought in after solicitation to get the issue done on time, or farming books out to studios (in South America and other places) where several artists are used by the studio to get the book done but only 1 name is credited (how Deodato Studios used to do it for Marvel in the 90s and early 2000s all under the name Of Mike Deodato or just Deodato Studios), so even with a monthly schedule they haven't been able to achieve consistency on most of the line (Snyder/Capullo on Batman is an exception, not the rule with DC). The scuttlebutt is that they haven't announced teams and directions/content on books because most of the books don't have set teams yet-one rumor is the commissioned first issues on books from multiple creators to decide which one to go with after they see the first issue, another is that they are trying to use the hype/buzz created by Rebirth in the comics news media to lure big name creators back to DC from Marvel/Image/DH/IDW/BOOM wherever to give the launch star quality name recognition but are having trouble finding takers and scrambling to get teams in place now so they can make deadlines for launch. Whatever the truth is, nothing seems to say there are in a position that a bi-weekly launch will go smoothly or that the books will have any kind of consistency, or that they will be working ahead to be able to maintain the quality on that pace of production. And here's the other issue as pointed out by the writer of the article Action Ace linked-comic generally have a 1-5% attrition drop off in sales per issue (not per month, per issue), even the Marvel bi-weekly books see this. Attrition on the new52 happened at an even higher rate, as the first issues drew huge numbers, however sales on all but a handful of issues fell off a cliff within 6-12 issues and continued dropping. Even Batman has seen attrition set in at a higher rate over the last year. If the Rebirth is meant to reset sales to an acceptable level yet sale swill drop with each succeeding issue, a bi-weekly release schedule will only hasten the attrition rate leading sales to reach a point where another reset is needed much faster this time than before. History shows us that the comics that become enduing stories and evergreen sellers in collected format are books with singular visions executed by consistent creative teams. Those seem to be the hallmarks of what creates classic comics that stand the test of time and gain readers over time through continued sales in other formats. Those are the very things that seem to be missing in the relaunch because the needs of bi-weekly scheduling preclude them. I hope I am proven wrong, but there seems to be too much of the foundation that is either missing or on shaky ground for this to build into something that everyone hopes it will be. It looks like a house of cards that will come tumbling down and leave a mess in its wake. The biggest problem with the new52 was poor planning and execution prior to launch which set it up on a trajectory of eventual failure and hurt how it was received by its customer base. A lot of the same issues seem to be creeping into this again and things like the Johns video come off as spin to hide what the real problems are, and that people are repeating the same mistakes again (not in terms of content per se, but in terms of planning, setting up infrastructure, vision, practical execution of the plan, having pieces in place to be able to move forward successfully, etc.) Looking past the excitement of "DC is giving me my childhood heroes back yay!" of the spin/hype they've presented, there doesn't seem to be a solid foundation or plan in place for a long term success beyond, hey let's flood them with what they say they want to recapture some marketshare, which to me (as I've said several times in several places) seems extremely short-sighted and is exactly why comic publishers have been unable to translate the massive success and popularity of super-heroes in other media into sustainable growth and sales of actual comic book products featuring those characters and stories. -M |
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Post by Golddragon71 on Feb 22, 2016 0:04:11 GMT -5
the only New52 titles I stayed with all the way through from the beginning have been Flash, Green Lantern, Justice League/related, Earth 2 and Aquaman
I dropped off the Superman/Batman and related books after a year, Green Arrow I dropped after the second issue and didn't come back until after #23
I only stayed with Lobo because If the Real Main Man came back, I didn't want to miss seeing him kick that pretty boy's @$$! (I'm still waiting to see it!)
Flash I stayed with because I was waiting for Wally to come back. When we got nuWally I almost dropped the book, but by that point , Barry had grown
on me enough to stay with it. (Despite the fact that i seriously disagree with John's assertion that heroes like Barry need a tragic origin to make them interesting!)
GL I stayed with....well, I really don't know why. I guess It was too hard a book to drop.
Aquaman was already really cool to me since the Peter David Run. Staying with him has been no trouble at all.
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 22, 2016 10:33:32 GMT -5
the only New52 titles I stayed with all the way through from the beginning have been Flash, Green Lantern, Justice League/related, Earth 2 and Aquaman. GL I stayed with....well, I really don't know why. I guess It was too hard a book to drop. It would take a lot for me to stop being a fan of Green Lantern because there's just so much to love about it. Like I've said before, I really wish DC had more spacefaring titles in the cards, because all they really have is GL, Legion, and New Gods |
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 22, 2016 20:40:54 GMT -5
I can't even imagine being a retailer trying to order this. Goodness only knows what kind of massive variant scheme DC will have set up for the #1s. I imagine the Rebirth issues and the #1s would have higher orders, but how quickly will you have to downshift by #6? The retailers will be ordering blind and have to guess at the plunge in half the time they normally need to make decisions. I need a new Tilting at Windmills column stat!
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Post by String on Feb 22, 2016 20:44:20 GMT -5
Still-No-Legion  |
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Post by Action Ace on Feb 22, 2016 20:51:54 GMT -5
Dan Didio promises that DC: Rebirth will have the most controversial scene since he started working at DC.
This may take some doing, he's probably STILL getting hate mail from Countdown to Infinite Crisis.
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