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Post by Action Ace on Feb 22, 2016 20:53:31 GMT -5
Still-No-Legion  DC is still waiting on a pitch from JJ Abrams. |
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Post by hondobrode on Feb 23, 2016 0:35:41 GMT -5
Dan Didio promises that DC: Rebirth will have the most controversial scene since he started working at DC. This may take some doing, he's probably STILL getting hate mail from Countdown to Infinite Crisis. The first thing I thought was Maxwell Lord murdering Ted Kord, but after thinking about it a little more, it's got to be the rape of Sue Dibny by Dr Light. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2016 1:02:40 GMT -5
I'm thinking on the advice of friends at my Comic Book Store ... and extra thanks for mrp for creating this list; I will get the following ten titles when available.
AQUAMAN #1
BATGIRL #1
EARTH 2 #1
JUSTICE LEAGUE #1
JUSTICE LEAGUE AMERICA #1
SUPERGIRL #1
SUPERWOMAN #1
TEEN TITANS #1
TITANS #1
WONDER WOMAN #1
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Post by Gene on Feb 23, 2016 15:06:28 GMT -5
Dan Didio promises that DC: Rebirth will have the most controversial scene since he started working at DC. This may take some doing, he's probably STILL getting hate mail from Countdown to Infinite Crisis. The first thing I thought was Maxwell Lord murdering Ted Kord, but after thinking about it a little more, it's got to be the rape of Sue Dibny by Dr Light. Max killing BB wasn't too bad, and that's coming from a diehard fan of the character. It actually led to something in the introduction of a great character in Jaime Reyes who has apparently, and regrettably, been abandoned by DC. Identity Crisis is without question the worst thing produced under Didio. It was brutal, cynical, and mean spirited for nothing more than the sake of being brutal, cynical, and mean spirited. The only thing it accomplished was to serve as a starting point for the slide into awfulness that made the New 52 a necessity. |
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Post by hondobrode on Feb 23, 2016 17:15:39 GMT -5
There's only two times I've gasped reading a comic.
The first was when Paul Smith was still on X-Men and Madeline Pryor was revealed as Dark Phoenix; the second was when Maxwell Lord killed Ted.
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Post by String on Feb 23, 2016 17:33:52 GMT -5
So wait, which was worse, Max killing Ted or Diana killing Max? I'd vote for Max killing Ted, that was a gut-punch when I first read it.
I've never read any of Jaime Reyes as BB yet I quite enjoyed his character on the Young Justice cartoon. Is his comic portrayal similar to his cartoon portrayal?
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Post by dupersuper on Feb 23, 2016 22:13:04 GMT -5
So wait, which was worse, Max killing Ted or Diana killing Max? I'd vote for Max killing Ted, that was a gut-punch when I first read it. I've never read any of Jaime Reyes as BB yet I quite enjoyed his character on the Young Justice cartoon. Is his comic portrayal similar to his cartoon portrayal? If anything, I'd say better. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 23:44:41 GMT -5
Stories like this just fill me with so much confidence for Rebirth and the leadership ability of the current DC regime... BC on DC RebirthIn reaction to Geoff Johns assertion that Rebirth is not a reboot and never was, there were many people professing surprise, including a large number of creators who had been asked to pitch for Rebirth. of course the opening line of the article also fills me with so much confidence in how DC is going about this... Hmm yeah this seems a well coordinated effort....not. -M |
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 26, 2016 23:52:47 GMT -5
I'd really like to hope that Rebirth becomes a new Golden Era for DC like they had claimed New 52 and DC You were going to be, because it pains me that they have all these great ideas and nobody's buying into them
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 0:08:14 GMT -5
I'd really like to hope that Rebirth becomes a new Golden Era for DC like they had claimed New 52 and DC You were going to be, because it pains me that they have all these great ideas and nobody's buying into them We'd all like to hope DC has a return to glory, but the reality is that the track record of DC under the guidance of Lee, Didio, Johns and Harras has not shown they have the ability to do that no matter what they say (and they all talk the talk well), they never seem able to walk the walk. Part of it is they do things like the stuff I quoted above that shows they have absolutely zero respect for the creative types who have to execute that vision or for the people who have to work in the trenches to sell the swill they eventually release after raising everyone's hopes and expectations with the talk. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 0:17:41 GMT -5
This is in essence what Didio's vision for returning DC to prominence boils down to and the reason why his regime is doomed to failure...
Let's go for shock value to get people to buy our books. That's all Didio ever does. There's no long term plan there, no vision, no understanding of what made DC's stable of characters iconic and able to endure for decades, it's all how can we grab headlines and get quick sales bumps by doing the shocking thing. He's been pressing the shock button for a decade now and people keep leaving DC in droves, and everytime his solution is let's do something even more shocking because this time it will work...
-M
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Feb 27, 2016 20:31:14 GMT -5
It's really disappointing to hear that editorial is still disorganized, since what they're doing on the publishing side makes a lot of sense to me. People who want to read DC comics don't want to read about the off the wall stories, they want to read the superheroes. Those oddball books they tried to push last year weren't designed to grab people who liked Man of Steel and want to read Superman, they were designed to get people who didn't really have an interest in DC anyway.
By chopping down the clutter and speeding up the schedule they're removing two huge obstacles people face in jumping in: The large and confusing lineup of books and the long wait between issues. Just look at Spider-Man in the last decade or so. Instead of having a bunch of parallel titles with different creative teams all telling stimutaneous stories they consolidated it all into one book. Even today it is still very easy to cover all of the Spidey stuff post-Civil War, you just start at the first issue of Brand New Day and and read straight through to the current, being interrupted only by a couple relaunches. I think that has way more appeal to a new reader, who is eager to jump in and read a lot of comics.
So taking that approach with the marquee books is a great idea IMO. But not being able to back it up with the talent, and not having a great editor like Steve Wacker onboard, could be a huge issue.
This is kind of a random thing to pull, but this quote from Thomas Harris's Hannibal somehow applies to the comics industry as it stands today:
Focus on building and cultivating an audience through good longterm storytelling, rather than on rapidfire relaunches and publicity stunts.
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Post by earl on Mar 2, 2016 18:26:00 GMT -5
They didn't have the talent or editorial skill to pull off the New 52 and I doubt this is all nothing but sorting the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I think DC and Marvel have gone to the well with their BS, as some of the local shops around here are putting more and more into pushing trades as they know what they got with those books and that's what the new readers want.
Image seems to get it, I think DC and Marvel both seem pretty desperate to try and keep market share and the same old junk isn't working that well.
All the talk about making it easier for new readers with these reboots is hogwash.
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Post by Batflunkie on Mar 2, 2016 18:34:38 GMT -5
I think DC and Marvel both seem pretty desperate to try and keep market share and the same old junk isn't working that well. There's an interview that I saw fairly recently with Jim Shooter that tells how the Direct Market was created and how quick both DC and Marvel were to embrace it (envisioning a virtual goldmine); getting rid of newstand sales all together I think with the slumping sales and general lack of interest in the product, we're finally seeing corporate greed coming to bite both DC and Marvel squarely in the ass, though I could be wrong. As others have said, if DC and Marvel were not owned by multimillion dollar conglomerates, the outcome of all this would be far different |
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Mar 5, 2016 15:02:17 GMT -5
If DC really wanted to make it easy for new readers and make a bold move they'd do what they've never done before: Start completely from scratch. No prior continuity, no established heroes, start right from the beginning with Superman and Batman's first adventures. Earth-2, Crisis, Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, the New 52, all of these things have been half-assed carrying over tons of backage from prior continuities that just makes things more confusing. But DC doesn't have the balls to make a clean break and go back to square one, even though that is the approach that resonates with audiences.
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