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Post by Action Ace on Jun 23, 2016 0:32:28 GMT -5
I looked at the newsstand at my local Barnes & Noble and I can now confirm that if you get a newsstand edition of a DC: Rebirth era comic it is $3.99. That's a dollar more than the direct market edition. They also had very few of them, so they are either not sending out too many or someone bought most of them before I got there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 17:21:53 GMT -5
So far I have really liked all the DC Rebirth titles I have tried (Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman/Aquaman/Flash/Titans)
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Post by Warmonger on Jun 23, 2016 17:36:16 GMT -5
So far I have really liked all the DC Rebirth titles I have tried (Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman/Aquaman/Flash/Titans) Yep I've only been following 3 titles (Batman, 'Tec and WW) but all 3 have at least been rock solid so far. I'll be following Hellblazer when it starts up next month. All-Star Batman and Deathstroke are maybe titles. I'll buy the first 2-3 issues of each and see if I'm digging it. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 23, 2016 18:38:36 GMT -5
Can Jon fly? I thought maybe he would fly after the hawk but I guess since he was mad, he used his heat vision instead. Yeah, that scene was a mood killer right there. Couple that with the neighbor's daughter with the bug eyes who saw him do it and Jon didn't even tell anyone what happened. Just keep on letting Mom wonder where the cat got off to, why don't you? Jessica Cruz is the biggest draw for my reading the new GL title. I liked her in the Darksied War story and I'm interested to see how she does in her new role. My knowledge of Simon Baz is shaky at best, apparently still dealing with consequences of terrorist charges with Waller threatening him over wanting him to reveal more details/secrets about the Corp. Simon can now receive prophetic visions via his ring, called 'Emerald Sight' (which sounds more like something Lion-O should do) Up next, Titans and what is Wally is doing now... He hasn't learned just yet, nor can he do the super jump either. That's odd.. since he does fly in the last page of the last issue of Superman: Lois and CLark |
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Post by The Captain on Jun 23, 2016 18:56:46 GMT -5
I picked up Aquaman #1 this week. It wasn't bad, but once again, we get Black Manta looking for revenge against Arthur for killing his father. We've seen this story before, so it would have been nice for them to blaze some new ground instead of treading old water to kick off the new series.
The writing was pretty good aside from the note above, but the art was just passable. I had a problem with how Walker drew the noses on all the characters. They had this dark spot on the side, probably to give the illusion of depth, but some of them were too big for the nose. As well, a number of the noses were large and flat, and while that worked for some of the characters, Mera looked like she'd taken a frying pan to the face, leaving her quite unattractive.
Overall, the quality of this one warrants picking up the next issue, at least, so that's something positive.
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Post by Trevor on Jun 23, 2016 19:27:41 GMT -5
Well, I hope my love for Rebirth #1 at least halfway holds thru the first wave of the line. I had previously ordered the first month's full bundle from DCBS (60% off), and just now decided to bite the bullet and order the second month's bundles (50% off). So I think I'll wait until both boxes arrive and have a ~100 Rebirthed marathon weekend.
Just when I thought I was out.......
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Post by dupersuper on Jun 23, 2016 19:56:48 GMT -5
He hasn't learned just yet, nor can he do the super jump either. That's odd.. since he does fly in the last page of the last issue of Superman: Lois and CLark Also this weeks Action Comics... |
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Post by String on Jun 23, 2016 20:19:04 GMT -5
That's odd.. since he does fly in the last page of the last issue of Superman: Lois and CLark Also this weeks Action Comics... Action is next on the Rebirth-to-read list but I would think he could fly, especially if he's going to appear in that Super-sons title alongside Damian. Titans Rebirth #1 was good, a nice set-up. Wally's new look may take some time to grow on me though. I love they kept the open-hair cowl look but being a red-head wearing an all-red suit, that's a bit too much but still a striking look. It was just so good seeing Wally together again with Dick and Donna. |
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Post by Warmonger on Jun 23, 2016 21:12:54 GMT -5
I'd also say that for all the hype the Rebirth titles are generating...I still think Future Quest and Wacky Raceland are the most promising new titles that DC has to offer.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 22:59:28 GMT -5
Looks like the biweekly schedule is already getting to DC, several books have had to change solicited artists for fill ins for issue #3 (i.e. after everyone had ordered the book based on solicited artists and after FOC on the book, but then announcing nope those people won't be doing the book, these will). Batman the flagship book for the line is among those as the third issue will feature neither Finch nor Janin on art as announced. If you can't get the first arc out without having to switch up your creative teams how do you expect to maintain a bi-weekly schedule on the long term? If you advertise one thing but deliver another on a regular basis, you're going to lose customers via attrition even more quickly. Remember it's the retailers who buy your books and if you stick them with books they can't sell because you falsely advertised the product, they will cut orders or stop buying into your program.
I am glad people are liking what they are seeing in issue 1, but if by issue 3 they are already losing steam with their schedule and creative teams, it's not a sustainable model for them. This kind of stuff killed a lot of the momentum form the new52 launch and that was monthly not bi-weekly and cost them a lot of readers. Apparently they didn't learn their lesson and plan ahead and have books in the can so they could get off the ground running, but then what do you expect when they had to change solicited creative teams on even the Rebirth specials. Marvel is no better, but these are supposed to be the industry leaders, the question is where are they leading everyone?
-M
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 24, 2016 0:09:57 GMT -5
I'd also say that for all the hype the Rebirth titles are generating Yeah, it really seems that this isn't just an enmasse case of "first issue fever" like I intially thought, which is good. DC could do with some good publicity for once I think |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 25, 2016 17:32:38 GMT -5
Looks like the biweekly schedule is already getting to DC, several books have had to change solicited artists for fill ins for issue #3 (i.e. after everyone had ordered the book based on solicited artists and after FOC on the book, but then announcing nope those people won't be doing the book, these will). Batman the flagship book for the line is among those as the third issue will feature neither Finch nor Janin on art as announced. If you can't get the first arc out without having to switch up your creative teams how do you expect to maintain a bi-weekly schedule on the long term? If you advertise one thing but deliver another on a regular basis, you're going to lose customers via attrition even more quickly. Remember it's the retailers who buy your books and if you stick them with books they can't sell because you falsely advertised the product, they will cut orders or stop buying into your program. I am glad people are liking what they are seeing in issue 1, but if by issue 3 they are already losing steam with their schedule and creative teams, it's not a sustainable model for them. This kind of stuff killed a lot of the momentum form the new52 launch and that was monthly not bi-weekly and cost them a lot of readers. Apparently they didn't learn their lesson and plan ahead and have books in the can so they could get off the ground running, but then what do you expect when they had to change solicited creative teams on even the Rebirth specials. Marvel is no better, but these are supposed to be the industry leaders, the question is where are they leading everyone? -M Is a revolving cast of artists really that big a deal breaker for most people on these books though? With a character where the artist is the main draw, like say Hellboy for instance, I can see some reluctance to pony up the cash for another artist but for a book like Batman or Detective I don't think you have that same draw as people aren't necessarily buying for the creative team but rather the general feel of a Batman story. If the fill ins are continually bad I think we could attribute some attrition to that but if they are serviceable to the story than I don't think it's a real issue. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 22:43:23 GMT -5
Looks like the biweekly schedule is already getting to DC, several books have had to change solicited artists for fill ins for issue #3 (i.e. after everyone had ordered the book based on solicited artists and after FOC on the book, but then announcing nope those people won't be doing the book, these will). Batman the flagship book for the line is among those as the third issue will feature neither Finch nor Janin on art as announced. If you can't get the first arc out without having to switch up your creative teams how do you expect to maintain a bi-weekly schedule on the long term? If you advertise one thing but deliver another on a regular basis, you're going to lose customers via attrition even more quickly. Remember it's the retailers who buy your books and if you stick them with books they can't sell because you falsely advertised the product, they will cut orders or stop buying into your program. I am glad people are liking what they are seeing in issue 1, but if by issue 3 they are already losing steam with their schedule and creative teams, it's not a sustainable model for them. This kind of stuff killed a lot of the momentum form the new52 launch and that was monthly not bi-weekly and cost them a lot of readers. Apparently they didn't learn their lesson and plan ahead and have books in the can so they could get off the ground running, but then what do you expect when they had to change solicited creative teams on even the Rebirth specials. Marvel is no better, but these are supposed to be the industry leaders, the question is where are they leading everyone? -M Is a revolving cast of artists really that big a deal breaker for most people on these books though? With a character where the artist is the main draw, like say Hellboy for instance, I can see some reluctance to pony up the cash for another artist but for a book like Batman or Detective I don't think you have that same draw as people aren't necessarily buying for the creative team but rather the general feel of a Batman story. If the fill ins are continually bad I think we could attribute some attrition to that but if they are serviceable to the story than I don't think it's a real issue. In the shop I used to help out at, the issues Capullo took off sold 20-30% fewer copies. We had pull customers put them back and sold fewer copies off the shelf. We had 7 people drop Justice League (of the 19 pulls we had for context) once Jim Lee was off the book, and within 6 issues after that we were selling 0 shelf copies and our pulls dropped to single digits. When Justice League 3000 was announced, we had 6 people sign up for it, when it was then announced Howard Porter was replacing the initial artist on issue 1 and would be the regular artists, 5 of the 6 people dropped it without ever picking up an issue. Pretty much every time a new52 artist had a fill in artist we either saw shelf copies sell less or had a subscriber drop the book. Anecdotal and small sample I know, but it happens, and it creates a sense of discontent among the readers, especially last minute changes where they feel they ordered one thing but got something else on a product that isn't cheap. Dissatisfaction with one book leads to dissatisfaction with more usually, especially when you then make the reader choose between buying all the parts of a story over multiple books or dropping all the books involved, which starts a snowball effect until you get to where the new52 was. Asking customers to now buy a book 2 times a month then failing to deliver what you promised in solicitations means you have 2 chances to disappoint or disillusion your customers each month. There are a lot of comic buyers looking for reasons to drop a book so they can afford to try something new, fill ins, especially late int he game, give readers an excuse. Retailers are looking for ways to trim their orders to be able to afford different products or keep costs down. Fill ins, especially when not announced until after FOC, are a sure way to target your books for cuts by retailers looking to trim the number of copies they order each month to keep spending down, especially if they already have shelf copies that don't sell. Hmm, I sell 17 copies a month, and have 8 leftover, because I up my to get a variant. Those 8 extra copies even out with the variant, but if it's a fill in and I have 10 or 12 leftover copies, it may not be worth it to order up for the variant, so a retailer cuts the order to 15 or 17 from 25 to keep expenses down. One retailer does it, not a problem, 20 retailers do it, it's a bigger deal, retailer does it for one book, not a big deal, does it across the line of your books, starts to be a big deal. When you are a niche business built on habitual buying, the worse thing you can do is give the people who buy your product an excuse to stop and break the habit. Either the retailers or the end customers. Throughout the course of the new52, DC gave retailers and readers plenty of excuses to break the habit and sales declined accordingly. Two months into Rebirth and they are already starting to give the same reasons for people to make a break that they did in the new52 run. It can snowball quickly as DC found out about a year into the new52 when the bottom started to fall out after losing momentum 6-8 months in. Once it starts, it is almost impossible to stop as DC found out to. The best way to stop it, is never give it a chance to start. The fill ins and post-FOC changes to creative teams are already happening, so they've already given it a chance to start, in the second month of the line. -M |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 26, 2016 10:01:53 GMT -5
That's Capullo and Lee though, which again are big draws...I don't think Finch is anywhere near their league. It could happen, but the art(atleast in terms of Batman and Detective as they now stand) isn't the draw.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2016 10:41:42 GMT -5
That's Capullo and Lee though, which again are big draws...I don't think Finch is anywhere near their league. It could happen, but the art(atleast in terms of Batman and Detective as they now stand) isn't the draw. It happened on every new52 title every time there was a fill in or a late addition to the creative teams. Lee and Capullo were the most noticeable, but it happened across the board. Another noicable one was whenever Manapul took an issue off from the Flash, and Finch is at least as big a draw as Manupal. -M |
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