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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 15, 2016 0:38:52 GMT -5
The fatality kill, seemed just as unlikely in the show, as it does in the games. That said, with such inhuman strength, I don't think he'll be pitted against anyone in particular in single combat, it would be suicide.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jun 17, 2016 11:42:19 GMT -5
This past episode was my favorite by far this season : no emo-snow! But more then anything, it all felt like a GOT boardgame session, with Jamie finally overcoming his warrior status to become a strategist. In celebration of this, me and some friends are going to play tonight  |
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 20, 2016 7:50:54 GMT -5
Just watched episode nine, and wow, that was harrowing! No real surprise that the Starks retook Winterfell but the death of Rickon and the grisly fate of Ramsay both shocked me. And why do I have this feeling that Sansa Stark is starting to become a very dangerous lady? |
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Post by impulse on Jun 20, 2016 10:28:13 GMT -5
This past episode was my favorite by far this season LOL. It amuses me when the "different strokes for different folks" adage proves true time and again. This was your favorite episode by a lot, and I thought it was easily the low point of the series. Based on this and other threads, we seem to have very different tastes in entertainment media - which is totally fine! To each his own. Just funny. |
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Post by impulse on Jun 20, 2016 12:59:45 GMT -5
Just watched episode nine, and wow, that was harrowing! No real surprise that the Starks retook Winterfell but the death of Rickon and the grisly fate of Ramsay both shocked me. And why do I have this feeling that Sansa Stark is starting to become a very dangerous lady? I feel it was extremely well-executed (no pun intended), but the writing was sub-par IMO. {Spoiler: Click to show}If you've also read the books, I feel they really dropped the ball and/or missed a great opportunity to draw on the politics and character of the North. The Northmen are known for being extremely loyal to the Starks, so I echo the many who had hoped that Lord Umber's turning over of Rickon was a ruse to lead to an eventual doublecross of Ramsey or that some other Northern Lords would have taken to their cause. The Manderlays for one.
The other Northern lords should have loathed the Boltons for their betrayal of Robb, aside from maybe the Karstarks. In any case, I agree with those who had hoped Ramsey would have been undone by his flaws, i.e. his ruthlessness and hot-headedness. Instead, he was this calm, cool calculated master commander and was undone by bad luck.
Again, if you set aside context, it was a fantastic battle scene. It really conveyed the chaos, brutality and drudgery of war, the hopelessness, all of that. Brilliantly done. I just think the surrounding story of how they got there and what they did with it was a huge missed opportunity.
Yeah, Sansa is becoming a big player and pretty darn calculated. Yes, Winterfell is restored. Yes, Jon was reborn, and yes, Ramsey was defeated. I just think it would have hit a lot more high notes if the writers had earned it a little better. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 20, 2016 13:29:11 GMT -5
SPOILERS BELOW
That battle scene was INTENSE. I'm very pleased with how Sansa is developing into one of the more powerful and interesting characters. For awhile it seemed that her development was being neglected, but it seems her time with Ramsey taught her to get strong or remain weak and die. She certainly got strong. Ramsey's fate was sweet. I'm by no means a violent person (I actually hate the idea of innocent people being tortured in movies) but the idea of sadists meeting sadistic ends is something I find immensely satisfying. Sansa's smirk as she walked away was fitting. Evil unto evil. Good unto good.
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 20, 2016 14:21:09 GMT -5
Just watched episode nine, and wow, that was harrowing! No real surprise that the Starks retook Winterfell but the death of Rickon and the grisly fate of Ramsay both shocked me. And why do I have this feeling that Sansa Stark is starting to become a very dangerous lady? I feel it was extremely well-executed (no pun intended), but the writing was sub-par IMO. {Spoiler: Click to show}If you've also read the books, I feel they really dropped the ball and/or missed a great opportunity to draw on the politics and character of the North. The Northmen are known for being extremely loyal to the Starks, so I echo the many who had hoped that Lord Umber's turning over of Rickon was a ruse to lead to an eventual doublecross of Ramsey or that some other Northern Lords would have taken to their cause. The Manderlays for one.
The other Northern lords should have loathed the Boltons for their betrayal of Robb, aside from maybe the Karstarks. In any case, I agree with those who had hoped Ramsey would have been undone by his flaws, i.e. his ruthlessness and hot-headedness. Instead, he was this calm, cool calculated master commander and was undone by bad luck.
Again, if you set aside context, it was a fantastic battle scene. It really conveyed the chaos, brutality and drudgery of war, the hopelessness, all of that. Brilliantly done. I just think the surrounding story of how they got there and what they did with it was a huge missed opportunity.
Yeah, Sansa is becoming a big player and pretty darn calculated. Yes, Winterfell is restored. Yes, Jon was reborn, and yes, Ramsey was defeated. I just think it would have hit a lot more high notes if the writers had earned it a little better. I think at this point they've pretty much diverged from the books to go off in their own direction, which is understandable even if it is a bit of a pity. Regarding Rickon I think his demise woul have carried more weight if the audience hadn't basically been allowed to forget about him completely for about two years. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 20, 2016 14:29:59 GMT -5
Rickon's character was never of much interest and it seems he only ever existed to be used as he was. As unsatisfying as it may be, I suppose we needed at least one Stark not destined for a grand fate.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 20, 2016 14:47:35 GMT -5
Not another last minute save more, please!
It's a good thing when things you expect actually happen, that means there's consistency to the characters and how they behave, but when you can't be surprised, something is lost. There was almost nothing in this episode that couldn't be seen from a mile.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jun 20, 2016 16:54:19 GMT -5
This past episode was my favorite by far this season LOL. It amuses me when the "different strokes for different folks" adage proves true time and again. This was your favorite episode by a lot, and I thought it was easily the low point of the series. Based on this and other threads, we seem to have very different tastes in entertainment media - which is totally fine! To each his own. Just funny. Well, what interests me the most in the series is the political and strategic aspect of it. And the boardgame indeed is a good representation of it, or it can. What did make this one a low point in the series for you?  Haven't yet watched the latest one. |
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 21, 2016 3:24:54 GMT -5
Not another last minute save more, please! It's a good thing when things you expect actually happen, that means there's consistency to the characters and how they behave, but when you can't be surprised, something is lost. There was almost nothing in this episode that couldn't be seen from a mile. I actually wasn't expecting the last minute save, though with hindsight it made sense. |
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 21, 2016 4:53:52 GMT -5
I was, from the moment I saw the two armies and noticed LF was missing. He was going to show up eventually, so it made "sense" that it was going to be at the very last moment, because that's the mantra for this season.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jun 21, 2016 7:00:01 GMT -5
I'm very interested in seeing how Arya and The Hound reunite and if Arya takes up with The Brothers Without Banners. I also assume she's about to start checking off names on that list of hers.
One criticism I have of the show is how Tyrion has been used since he's been in Meereen. I suppose it can't be helped, but his arc has gotten rather dull compared to the glories of seasons 1-3 in particular. Dragon queens, unsullied and translators simply aren't good matches for his wit and have lead to some rather boring scenes, even though they attempted to inject some humor into their relationship recently.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 21, 2016 8:26:44 GMT -5
How many names are left, in that list? Cersei, Walder Frey... the rest are dead already. Ilyn Payne has been on an off the list, I don't know what the current status is. I think she'll go for Frey first, whether she crosses her path with the Hound en route, is a variable.
Tyrion was more interesting in Westeros, even in a cell. The visits he entertained there were more interesting than any interaction he's enjoyed ever since, except for Varys
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Post by impulse on Jun 21, 2016 9:32:40 GMT -5
{Spoiler: Click to show}Sansa's smirk as she walked away was fitting. Agreed. That was one of my favorite parts of the episode. I think at this point they've pretty much diverged from the books to go off in their own direction, which is understandable even if it is a bit of a pity. Regarding {Spoiler} Rickon I think his demise woul have carried more weight if the audience hadn't basically been allowed to forget about him completely for about two years. Yes and no. They are definitely taking their own paths to getting there and are making some changes, but my understanding is HBO required GRRM to tell them the overarching story and where it was going as part of the deal, so I imagine they are still hitting the major bullet points. It is at least consistent with speculation, spoilers, and notes I've read elsewhere, though we are rapidly getting more and more into as-yet unrevealed territory. Rickon's character was never of much interest and it seems he only ever existed to be used as he was. As unsatisfying as it may be, I suppose we needed at least one Stark not destined for a grand fate. It's a shame he was brought back only to be a plot device for an episode or two. Well, what interests me the most in the series is the political and strategic aspect of it. And the boardgame indeed is a good representation of it, or it can. What did make this one a low point in the series for you? Haven't yet watched the latest one. I love the politics and strategy, too. I think it has been done better earlier, but the biggest thing that soured me on this episode and the one before was the ridiculousness of Arya's arc. It was so bad that so many fan theories popped up suspecting there was a trick to it, or something more than meets the eye, and when it turned out to truly be as simple and IMO poorly written as it seemed, it was a big letdown. It might view better on a second viewing to be fair. One criticism I have of the show is how Tyrion has been used since he's been in Meereen. I suppose it can't be helped, but his arc has gotten rather dull compared to the glories of seasons 1-3 in particular. Dragon queens, unsullied and translators simply aren't good matches for his wit and have lead to some rather boring scenes, even though they attempted to inject some humor into their relationship recently. I agree, he is certainly out of his element, but I think that was their point. Granted, they tried to milk the awkwardness and our-of-place thing a few too many times for the joke to hold, but I think he got his footing again this most recent episode. |
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