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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2014 18:28:56 GMT -5
Ish - thanks for the background on Marville. I bought one issue back in the day  (yes, I bought it for the cover) and I wondered why Marvel was publishing such utter crap.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Sept 25, 2014 18:45:50 GMT -5
Ish (yes, I bought it for the cover) and I wondered why Marvel was publishing such utter crap. Jemas was in charge and he was writing it. |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Sept 25, 2014 20:05:08 GMT -5
Jemas was in charge and he was writing it. There was only one way to stop him.
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Post by fanboystranger on Sept 25, 2014 22:07:09 GMT -5
Has anyone mentioned that utter piece of garbage that was the Bill Jemas penned Marville miniseries? I hope i get this correct. Peter David's Captain Marvel series was on the brink of cancellation.So he and publisher Jemas had a bet if jemas could write a comic that would outsell Captain Marvel. It was called You Decide in the fan press and the losing title would be cancelled So Jemas wrote this god awful story about A Ted Turner-Jane Fonda lookalike parents who send their child to earth before the planet Kal-AOL explodes. He lands on earth and has super powers and pretty much copies the Smallville TV show. Then it just goes off on a tangent showing scenes from past history with Wolverine as a neanderthal. #7 was the final issue and wasn't even a story.It was only guidelines to how to submit material to the revitalized Epic imprint. Peter David's Captain Marvel survived for another 2 years    It's mostly correct. Originally, Jemas wanted Steve Gerber to write the series from his outline, but Gerber told him to pound sand because he didn't like the book. (I guess one of the characters was based on Paul Levitz, and Steve and Paul had been friends for years.) Then Jemas decided to write it himself. Peter David said that he would write Captain Marvel for $1 an issue, but Marvel decided that it would make more sense to milk it for more publicity and started "U Decide". Jemas added a third party in Ron Zimmerman, who was a Howard Stern regular and screenwriter who had started to do some (mostly terrible) work for Marvel. It was Jemas' Marville vs David's Captain Marvel relaunch vs Zimmerman's Ultimate Adventures, which at least featured Duncan Fegredo art. David's CM won handily. |
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Post by the4thpip on Sept 26, 2014 2:21:23 GMT -5
The downside was that PAD felt the need to relaunch CM as a much darker book, making it less enjoyable for me.
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Post by fanboystranger on Sept 26, 2014 10:11:14 GMT -5
The downside was that PAD felt the need to relaunch CM as a much darker book, making it less enjoyable for me. Yeah, me, too. I gave up on that volume of CM after 7-8 issues. |
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Post by Golddragon71 on Sept 26, 2014 11:38:27 GMT -5
I Sorry, I just got here and I know it's already been covered but I wanted to take another Look at the much maligned Emerald Twilight (or as folks on the Green Lantern Message board call it, Emerald toilet)
One thing that has to be mentioned is that the entire story was a total rewrite from what it's original concept was.
Originally Emerald twilight was supposed to be a Green lantern corps civil War with Hal leading one side and Sinestro leading the other. (Many of the ideas first outlined in the initial treatment would go on to be used in more recent years)
Now, i personally did not agree with Making Hal into a Villain of any kind. Nor did I agree with Hal killing Kilowog of all the Lanterns he knew.
I did like Hal's Parallax uniform and told differently I could have seen Emerald Twilight making Hal into ION or something to that effect and having Kyle become Green Lantern
As for Zero Hour, well the Hal-Parallax of course made a bad situation worse (Hal could've been redeemed right there by having him take out Extant as the break-out hero of the story.)
On the other hand i enjoyed the crazy time-shifts that were happening in all the tie-ins and then the origin stories told in the post resolution 0books were fantastic!
Also there was some fall out that I approve of. (such as Oliver Queen cutting back on using Lethal force)
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Nov 26, 2014 18:48:23 GMT -5
I would throw the Flash:Rebirth story in here, if it was allowed, but its not a classic yet , so I wont.
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Post by badwolf on Nov 26, 2014 19:14:29 GMT -5
I'm going to go with "Dominant Species," an arc from Chuck Austen's run on Uncanny X-Men. I don't even remember much about it except it involved a new character called Maximus Lobo and his brood of werewolves or something, lame characters that no incarnation of the X-Men should have had any trouble dispatching, but Lobo is played as the next Sabretooth. The story is drawn by Kia Asamiya, who is not a bad artist (I remember enjoying his Silent Mobius back in the day), but the manga style makes all the characters unrecognizable. It's like reading some alternate universe take on the X-Men...which is, perhaps, how it should be looked upon.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 19:32:02 GMT -5
I'm going to go with "Dominant Species," an arc from Chuck Austen's run on Uncanny X-Men. I don't even remember much about it except it involved a new character called Maximus Lobo and his brood of werewolves or something, lame characters that no incarnation of the X-Men should have had any trouble dispatching, but Lobo is played as the next Sabretooth. The story is drawn by Kia Asamiya, who is not a bad artist (I remember enjoying his Silent Mobius back in the day), but the manga style makes all the characters unrecognizable. It's like reading some alternate universe take on the X-Men...which is, perhaps, how it should be looked upon. Oh, no. Austen's "Draco" arc is by far the crappiest crap I've ever read. It's NO WONDER to me why the X-Men are in the state they are in today when they allowed Austen to do all the stuff to them he did. |
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Post by badwolf on Nov 26, 2014 19:33:09 GMT -5
Oh, no. Austen's "Draco" arc is by far the crappiest crap I've ever read. It's NO WONDER to me why the X-Men are in the state they are in today when they allowed Austen to do all the stuff to them he did. I figured that would get a mention, but I have never read it, only heard about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 19:34:54 GMT -5
Oh, no. Austen's "Draco" arc is by far the crappiest crap I've ever read. It's NO WONDER to me why the X-Men are in the state they are in today when they allowed Austen to do all the stuff to them he did. I figured that would get a mention, but I have never read it, only heard about it. You don't have to read it. Trust me. Save your eyes for much better reading. It's horrible. And the art is wretched as well. The first part with Mystique wasn't nearly as bad as when he started writing Nightcrawler into it. |
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 26, 2014 19:38:33 GMT -5
X-men: Second Coming and X-men: Messiah Complex.
It's almost all of the worst parts of X-men all tied together in a lovely little package!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 19:40:37 GMT -5
oh, yeah.
Second Coming.
Where they killed off Nightcrawler.
That, to me, will ALWAYS be when the X-Men were never the same ever again.
I don't really want X-Men without Nightcrawler. Which means that while he was in Excalibur, I probably would not enjoy the outback era of X-Men.
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 26, 2014 19:47:51 GMT -5
oh, yeah. Second Coming. Where they killed off Nightcrawler. That, to me, will ALWAYS be when the X-Men were never the same ever again. I don't really want X-Men without Nightcrawler. Which means that while he was in Excalibur, I probably would not enjoy the outback era of X-Men. Same with me. I can't enjoy the 90s era X-men because of that. (and because it's awful) I always thought I was too attached to Nightcrawler because of that?? but then I can read other X-Titles that never involved him such as X-Factor and the KyYost X-Force . I think it mainly just bothers me on main X-men titles. Don't get me started on Second Messiah Coming Complex's brilliant idea to make Bishop the villain because you know it's such a great idea to kill off minority characters or turn the few minority characters you do have evil! |
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