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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 26, 2014 19:50:39 GMT -5
I probably would not enjoy the outback era of X-Men. You're breaking my heart, CW. I love the Outback X-Men.  |
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 26, 2014 19:56:54 GMT -5
I probably would not enjoy the outback era of X-Men. You're breaking my heart, CW. I love the Outback X-Men. It's a shame they put Egg Whisk Head man on that team |
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Post by badwolf on Nov 26, 2014 19:57:28 GMT -5
Havok, Dazzler, Longshot...yeah, it really was not the most interesting lineup.
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 26, 2014 20:00:45 GMT -5
Havok, Dazzler, Longshot...yeah, it really was not the most interesting lineup. Hang on now. Dazzler and Longshot are at least pretty cool in my book. |
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Post by badwolf on Nov 26, 2014 20:07:08 GMT -5
I liked Longshot in his miniseries, but I never felt he really gelled with the X-Men or the MU in general (Mojo and Spiral fared better somehow.)
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Post by Pharozonk on Nov 26, 2014 20:09:22 GMT -5
You're breaking my heart, CW. I love the Outback X-Men. It's a shame they put Egg Whisk Head man on that team Psh, Havok was the reason that team was so awesome! |
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Post by earl on Nov 26, 2014 20:25:41 GMT -5
I think something that really hurt Final Crisis is how DC's editorial largely bungled the hand off from one big project that worked well in 52 to build to Final Crisis. I think the condensed nature of some of the story beats in Final Crisis were probably originally intended to be fleshed out in secondary material, but the whole Countdown and end of the New Gods were totally off and DC did a big U turn with Superman. I think Final Crisis works a heck of a lot better if you consider it's kind of the conclusion and sequel to a lot of other story beats (Crime Bible, Seven Soldiers, JLA: Rock of Ages, Batman RIP, Infinite Crisis, Crisis on Infinite Earths). I can totally get that on it's own, it's pretty flawed and obviously many readers find it that way. Maybe on Earth Q, Starlin's Death of the New Gods is done as an actual collaboration and fits in, maybe Kurt Busiek with Superman is able to explore the Inter Gang/Crime Bible story line with some other story beats fleshing out some of the cameo stuff (Shazam family/Frankenstein/Kamandi/Bludhaven)) alluded to in Final Crisis. I'm sure at some point that might have been the idea, but it sure didn't happen that way. Oh well...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2014 20:35:00 GMT -5
I probably would not enjoy the outback era of X-Men. You're breaking my heart, CW. I love the Outback X-Men. I'm sorry!!! Just, to me, the X-Men are not the X-Men without their heart, and that's Nightcrawler. |
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 27, 2014 3:42:44 GMT -5
It's a shame they put Egg Whisk Head man on that team Psh, Havok was the reason that team was so awesome! but it wasn't awesome? dun dun dun! Wasn't that the era they redesigned Rogue's costume? I have to say I prefer her 80s costumes. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Nov 27, 2014 5:27:12 GMT -5
I liked Longshot in his miniseries, but I never felt he really gelled with the X-Men or the MU in general (Mojo and Spiral fared better somehow.) In my fantasy scenario, Longshot would have have his own series, with Dazzler, that would be a sort of Indiana Jones + superpowers type book. Maybe he could be employed by SHIELD to hunt down rare alien/mystical artifacts and find out their histories.=? (I'm assuming he still has his postcognition powers, that is.) |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 27, 2014 8:52:42 GMT -5
X-men: Second Coming and X-men: Messiah Complex. It's almost all of the worst parts of X-men all tied together in a lovely little package! I really liked that whole uber-story, actually... the best X-Men have been in modern times, IMO. I know I'm in the minority, but I really liked Hope Summers, and her story, traveling through time with Cable while Bishop tried to kill them was really fun, as was the 'kill squad' version of X-Force. I thought the X-Men living in Utopia was cool and made alot of sense... I would have liked to see that continue, and eventually be less dark, more a city than a war camp.. I think that could have been really interesting. |
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Post by The Captain on Nov 27, 2014 8:55:34 GMT -5
Havok, Dazzler, Longshot...yeah, it really was not the most interesting lineup. Hang on now. Dazzler and Longshot are at least pretty cool in my book. That's funny, because they're in my bottom five X-Men of all time, and that's what makes this forum interesting, as we all have the things we like and they may not be the same things others like.
And the Outback X-Men period was horrid. Not Chuck Austen horrid, but still pretty damn bad.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 27, 2014 8:56:50 GMT -5
oh, yeah. Second Coming. Where they killed off Nightcrawler. That, to me, will ALWAYS be when the X-Men were never the same ever again. I don't really want X-Men without Nightcrawler. Which means that while he was in Excalibur, I probably would not enjoy the outback era of X-Men. Same with me. I can't enjoy the 90s era X-men because of that. (and because it's awful) I always thought I was too attached to Nightcrawler because of that?? but then I can read other X-Titles that never involved him such as X-Factor and the KyYost X-Force . I think it mainly just bothers me on main X-men titles. Don't get me started on Second Messiah Coming Complex's brilliant idea to make Bishop the villain because you know it's such a great idea to kill off minority characters or turn the few minority characters you do have evil! Bishop wasn't evil in that story... he thought he was the good guy. In his mind, Hope caused his future, which was terrible... he thought that if he killed her, all would be sunshine and puppies for mutants in the future, so he was willing to do whatever it took... he states in a couple places he didn't feel bad about killing people because they 'weren't real'.. they were just a bad alternate timeline, in his mind. I thought this was a reasonably logical and in character thing to do (more so than most).. what pissed me off is when they brought him back later with no memory and 'redeemed' him by Psylocke messing with his head... THAT was stupid. Also, Hope should have been allowed to kill him. |
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 27, 2014 9:19:27 GMT -5
Yes because turning a law abiding officer into a child killer is a really logical thing to do.
Meanwhile the White Rebel time traveller is made the good guy because duh don't you know straight white guys need to be the heroes at all cost there isn't enough of them to start turning some evil!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2014 11:47:41 GMT -5
I believe that Final Crisis was an example of a writer who becomes convinced of his own brilliance, especially as compared to the rabble that he's doing the favor of writing for, and is allowed free reign on a major project without any editors reining him in. His "channel surfing" technique in any other project or medium would be termed "bad writing" as he flung what should have been major events (like shrinking the entire world's population and freezing them in ice cube trays) at the audience like they were being shot out of a machine gun, only to be immediately forgotten. We will also need to disagree on the ending. Superman magically singing the world's troubles away was, bar none, the stupidest thing I've ever seen in comics. And that's in a medium where Superman was once a witch doctor who married Jimmy Olson to an ape. I agree entirely - if Morrison were a tenth as good as he thinks he is, he'd be a fantastic writer - unfortunately, his talent doesn't match his ego |
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