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Post by Ozymandias on Jul 18, 2016 9:55:58 GMT -5
Looks like an interesting article there though, Ozy. Thanks. You're welcome, I knew you'd like it.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 18, 2016 10:27:39 GMT -5
(...) and secondly, it is in the very nature of retcons to feature a revision of the fictional narrative as presented in an earlier installment of the story. That it is, that it is, but for a retcon to be cleared by our willing suspension of disbelief, it must avoid clashes with what we know about the characters or situations involved. To make a parallel with the Conan universe: even if I throughly disliked the retconning of Red Sonja into the Black Colossus storyline, at no time do readers go "yeah, but..." Events are no longer how we had pictured them originally (that's what retcons do, as you say), but the revised version doesn't require setting aside established facts. In another instance, the battle of Venarium was retconned during the dreadful "Conan year one" storyline in such a way that it was incompatible with what we had seen of it. The "frontier outpost run over by savage natives" was turned into a "Jack Kirby city destroyed by magic while savage natives pound at its walls". The writer of the retcon could say (and rightfully so) that nobody ever mentioned that magic was not used during the assault; but everything we know about the event went against that idea. (And that's my tip of the hat to a topical "worst comic book story ever").
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 18, 2016 10:29:12 GMT -5
Yep. Hank left Earth, merged with Ultron and believed dead by his friends, in the Rage of Ultron graphic novel. He's since returned but, as seen last month, he's still merged with Ultron and there's very little of the original Dr Pym left inside it. Basically, he no longer exists from the chest down. He's now simply a head and upper torso built into a robot body. Looks like a great choice for the Worst comic book story ever thread, ten years from now. Gawd, what is Marvel thinking
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 18, 2016 10:33:10 GMT -5
Mentioning a bad storyline to stay on topic : Wolverine's memories being implants, from Wolverine #50. Yuck. Talk about messing things up. After years of building up this mysterious persona who seemed to be older than he looked, who seemed to have done a lot of shady things, and after years of revealing his past snippet by snippet... IN YOUR FACE, READERS! IT'S ALL UP IN THE AIR AGAIN!!! I lost all interest in Logan's history after that. Which, after reading about Origin and stuff like Remus (or is it Romulus? One of those, anyway) is probably for the best. Even having started reading X titles just before Age of Apocalypse and after, when I went back and started Wolverine from the beginning and reading it up to the present (like #90 something after the return from AoA) #50 was a disappointment. Many of those early Wolverine stories were great. Chocking it up to implanted memories did indeed ruin the mystery.
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 18, 2016 10:40:36 GMT -5
Yep. Hank left Earth, merged with Ultron and believed dead by his friends, in the Rage of Ultron graphic novel. He's since returned but, as seen last month, he's still merged with Ultron and there's very little of the original Dr Pym left inside it. Basically, he no longer exists from the chest down. He's now simply a head and upper torso built into a robot body. Looks like a great choice for the Worst comic book story ever thread, ten years from now. Gawd, what is Marvel thinking I think they're thinking "hey, how much more can we screw up Hank Pym"?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 18, 2016 11:51:31 GMT -5
Looks like a great choice for the Worst comic book story ever thread, ten years from now. Gawd, what is Marvel thinking I think they're thinking "hey, how much more can we screw up Hank Pym"? "After all, he beat his wife!!" I shudder to think what would have happened if Facebook and Twitter had existed back in 1981!
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 18, 2016 12:02:38 GMT -5
I think they're thinking "hey, how much more can we screw up Hank Pym"? "After all, he beat his wife!!" I shudder to think what would have happened if Facebook and Twitter had existed back in 1981! Facebook and Twitter at the height of the Cold War? Civilization would have collapsed...
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 18, 2016 12:18:41 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 18, 2016 13:05:45 GMT -5
Yep. Hank left Earth, merged with Ultron and believed dead by his friends, in the Rage of Ultron graphic novel. He's since returned but, as seen last month, he's still merged with Ultron and there's very little of the original Dr Pym left inside it. Basically, he no longer exists from the chest down. He's now simply a head and upper torso built into a robot body. OMG ! I owe Shooter an apology.
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Post by String on Jul 18, 2016 21:26:36 GMT -5
Looks like a great choice for the Worst comic book story ever thread, ten years from now. Gawd, what is Marvel thinking I think they're thinking "hey, how much more can we screw up Hank Pym"? I believe ROU to be one of the better Avengers stories of at least the last five years. The ending may be the most notable aspect of it but Remender also included an engaging moral debate on the perceived sentience on AIs as one focal point of his story. Here are some thoughts on the story I posted awhile back on an Avengers-related forum: As much as you all have stated that Hank has gotten mislabeled or even mishandled since the Bronze Age, I find any new character avenue they decide to try for Hank a worthy venture. I thought that of Slott's handling of him in Mighty Avengers and I think the same here of Remender's efforts. I haven't read any of his 'current' post-SW appearances and I'm not sure I want to. That's not because I dislike the idea rather I think Marvel's further intentions with him may not be the same as what Remender may have had planned for him.
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 21, 2016 5:30:42 GMT -5
Amazons Attack has this which disqualifies it from the list. barely I can totally see Nicolas Cage as Batman, now. I've been able to see that since watching Kick-Ass.
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 21, 2016 5:31:28 GMT -5
Has he done much since? Or anything super successful? My point exactly. Well, he co-writes Sense8 with The Wachowskis. He also shared credit for World War Z. That's far more success than any other Spider-writer has ever achieved. Todd MacFarland would debate that, but he's busy rolling in money.
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 21, 2016 5:34:01 GMT -5
i never really understood all the hatred towards One More Day. Speaking only for myself, the reason is a blatant disregard for history in order to tell an "edgy" story. We had access to Gwen's thought bubbles during the time she's supposed to have had a flng with Osborn. Ah, like ignoring Max Lords thoughts during JLI after he revealed he was a villain...or Jurgens ignoring THE THOUGHT BUBBLES HE WROTE JUST A COUPLE MONTHS AGO in order to surprise us with the identity of Cyborg Superman...
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Post by dupersuper on Jul 21, 2016 5:35:15 GMT -5
Yep. Hank left Earth, merged with Ultron and believed dead by his friends, in the Rage of Ultron graphic novel. He's since returned but, as seen last month, he's still merged with Ultron and there's very little of the original Dr Pym left inside it. Basically, he no longer exists from the chest down. He's now simply a head and upper torso built into a robot body. Meh. I'm sure it's just a matter of time until he's back to normal and able to hook up with Tigra or any other character the writer wants.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jul 22, 2016 9:45:29 GMT -5
Well, he co-writes Sense8 with The Wachowskis. He also shared credit for World War Z. That's far more success than any other Spider-writer has ever achieved. Todd MacFarland would debate that, but he's busy rolling in money. I thought pink was talking about career success. McFarlane's success comes from his entrepreneur side.
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