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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 23, 2016 1:35:34 GMT -5
Todd MacFarland would debate that, but he's busy rolling in money. I thought pink was talking about career success. McFarlane's success comes from his entrepreneur side. Huh? Like ir not, TM created a character which is running for 20 years as a comic and has Spawned a movie and cartoon series. That's not a career success? Then what is? |
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Post by berkley on Jul 23, 2016 1:59:21 GMT -5
Like everyone else, for me the worst comics stories are the ones that disregard, pointlessly distort, or sometimes even blatantly contradict an earlier story, concept, or character that means something to me. So for me that would be things like Orion's characterisation in the Morrison/Waid JLA or in Azzarello's more recent Wonder Woman; various post-Kirby Eternals mini-series; Crystal's history since Kirby left the FF and Marvel; Moondragon's history since the Englehart Avengers; Shang-Chi's history since the Moench MoKF; etc.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jul 23, 2016 2:55:05 GMT -5
I thought pink was talking about career success. McFarlane's success comes from his entrepreneur side. Huh? Like ir not, TM created a character which is running for 20 years as a comic and has Spawned a movie and cartoon series. That's not a career success? Then what is? But in order to create that character, he first started a company. Had he remained at Marvel, he wouldn't have but a fraction, of the money he has. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 23, 2016 4:57:22 GMT -5
Huh? Like ir not, TM created a character which is running for 20 years as a comic and has Spawned a movie and cartoon series. That's not a career success? Then what is? But in order to create that character, he first started a company. Had he remained at Marvel, he wouldn't have but a fraction, of the money he has. I have no idea what point you're trying to make. Kudos to any creator who escapes the slavery of a work-for-hire situation and gets rewarded properly for a successful creation. I wouldn't be surprised if many artists who work for themselves as freelancers incorporate themselves for tax purposes and also hire assistants. This is something that's been going on since the days of newspaper strips. McFarlane and his Image partners were not the first to have done this either. Kirby and Joe Simon for instance had done the same thing. The tragedy is someone like a Steve Ditko who didn't |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 23, 2016 6:04:50 GMT -5
Like everyone else, for me the worst comics stories are the ones that disregard, pointlessly distort, or sometimes even blatantly contradict an earlier story, concept, or character that means something to me. So for me that would be things like Orion's characterisation in the Morrison/Waid JLA or in Azzarello's more recent Wonder Woman; various post-Kirby Eternals mini-series; Crystal's history since Kirby left the FF and Marvel; Moondragon's history since the Englehart Avengers; Shang-Chi's history since the Moench MoKF; etc. I never found Orion's characterization in JLA to be incompatible with Kirby's version. Also, when a character is so far removed from the spotlight by years, sometimes they resurface with slightly different personalities. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jul 23, 2016 8:45:39 GMT -5
I'd also put Wolverine: Origin way up on my list of bad ideas. I've only browsed the story, but I can't get behind the concept in principle. Part of Wolverine's appeal, a major part, was that his origin was mysterious and they go and take that away. How many characters have mysterious origins? Wolverine and the Joker are the only major examples that come to mind, yet creators over the last 25 years or so haven't been able to resist the urge to screw with the mystery. Can't we have a few mysterious character where we don't get to see the origin in issue #1/the first appearance like 99.9% of all the other characters?
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Post by tingramretro on Jul 23, 2016 10:52:09 GMT -5
Can't we have a few mysterious character where we don't get to see the origin in issue #1/the first appearance like 99.9% of all the other characters?  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 23, 2016 17:08:46 GMT -5
The Phantom Stranger was given 4 different origins in Secret Origins #10. None of the origins are considered Canon, as far as I know. It was a great issue and one of the Stories was by Alan Moore.
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Post by Pharozonk on Jul 23, 2016 18:23:41 GMT -5
I thought pink was talking about career success. McFarlane's success comes from his entrepreneur side. Huh? Like ir not, TM created a character which is running for 20 years as a comic and has Spawned a movie and cartoon series. That's not a career success? Then what is? Didn't he file for bankruptcy not that long ago? |
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Post by berkley on Jul 23, 2016 19:52:41 GMT -5
Like everyone else, for me the worst comics stories are the ones that disregard, pointlessly distort, or sometimes even blatantly contradict an earlier story, concept, or character that means something to me. So for me that would be things like Orion's characterisation in the Morrison/Waid JLA or in Azzarello's more recent Wonder Woman; various post-Kirby Eternals mini-series; Crystal's history since Kirby left the FF and Marvel; Moondragon's history since the Englehart Avengers; Shang-Chi's history since the Moench MoKF; etc. I never found Orion's characterization in JLA to be incompatible with Kirby's version. Also, when a character is so far removed from the spotlight by years, sometimes they resurface with slightly different personalities. In the JLA he was painted as sort of blustering bully who had to be put in his place by the morally superior heroes like Superman, batman, and Wonder Woman. This is not the character from Kirby's New Gods. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2016 22:33:33 GMT -5
The Phantom Stranger was given 4 different origins in Secret Origins #10. None of the origins are considered Canon, as far as I know. It was a great issue and one of the Stories was by Alan Moore. Until the new52 where they basically said Stranger is Judas Iscariot doomed to walk the earth for his sins or some such nonsense and part of the Trinity of Sin with Pandora and the Question, which was not any of the 4 origins in Secret Origins #10 (all of which were much better than anything about new52 Stranger). He also had a secret life with a wife and kids in the new52.... if you can't tell, not a fan of what they chose to do with one of my favorite characters in the revamp. -M |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 24, 2016 1:49:06 GMT -5
Huh? Like ir not, TM created a character which is running for 20 years as a comic and has Spawned a movie and cartoon series. That's not a career success? Then what is? Didn't he file for bankruptcy not that long ago? As far as I know, TM and Red Sox pitcher Curt Shilling partnered in a gaming business called 38 Studios which released just one product. It filed for bankruptcy in 2012 |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 24, 2016 8:57:39 GMT -5
:-) Even without Ms Jezebel a thread with "worst" in the title got hijacked by Todd McFarlane.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 24, 2016 9:10:53 GMT -5
:-) Even without Ms Jezebel a thread with "worst" in the title got hijacked by Todd McFarlane. That should put a smile on Shaxper's face |
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 24, 2016 9:11:28 GMT -5
:-) Even without Ms Jezebel a thread with "worst" in the title got hijacked by Todd McFarlane. Mr. McFarlane has sold an awful lot of comics books and I've never read him being attached to any terrible stories. |
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