shaxper
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Post by shaxper on Aug 10, 2016 6:59:41 GMT -5
Hey Shax, sorry the saga didn't pop the way it did for me and the others that loved it. Like i said, I did love it by the end. I just see it as very uneven prior to that point. I sure hope that was a joke. Do you know me?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 10, 2016 8:07:29 GMT -5
The Death of Captain MarvelI first read this years ago, before I'd lost someone in that way. Not up for talking about it, but yeah -- Starlin gets it. One problem with an otherwise brilliantly done story: in the conclusion of The Thanos Saga, Thanos looks disappointed and annoyed when Marvel shows up, hoping it would have been Warlock. I never got the sense that Marvel meant that much to Thanos beyond being the one to thwart him the first time around. That's all I've got for nitpicks this time around, though. Beautifully done, nearly perfect work. Having read more of Warlock and Thanos' interactions before having read Marvel and Thanos', but having read Death of Captain Marvel, I too found it strange the "attachment" Thanos had in that he gave Marvel basically a dying wish. In later stories (I was just reading Marvel The End again) Warlock is always the one to show up as Thanos' conscience. When I read Marvel The End again, the epilogue, so to speak, between the two of them reminded me of Batman and Joker in Killing Joke. I think it's relative obscurity might shield it from the criticisms that the end of the Killing Joke gets. But it's very similar in how, instead of the hero acting "out of character" it is the villain. Hey Shax, sorry the saga didn't pop the way it did for me and the others that loved it. I originally read it in my early twenties and it was well before comic deaths became the joke it is now. But I caution that ANY bit of entertainment can be over analyzed until it is left a carcus. There are even people that have dissected Watchmen and the Killing Joke until it's referred to as hack work. I too read it for the first time around the same age. But I also might as well have been a child, as I was deprived of comics in my younger years so seeing the fantastical way that Starlin writes stories and illustrates them, is almost exclusive to him. As far as analysis, this is probably one of my faults at review threads. I feel like if I look at it too closely, unless there are just blinding inconsistencies or failures in basic logic, it looses it's magic and I may not like it. Thankfully with most of the usual suspects, TKJ, DKR, and Watchmen, reading them at face value never impressed me enough to look deeper.
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Post by brutalis on Aug 10, 2016 8:18:45 GMT -5
I thought this was rather unique and creative a the time for Starlin. Instead of having to see characters you created being continued and written horribly out of character he created an actual cut off point. We all know in comic books that nobody is really dead and every writer can come up with a way to bring somebody back. With Starlin "killing" them it makes such a rebirth and character change seem more natural. And as Starlin has done in later years he can pick and choose what he liked of subsequent "versions" of his characters and not have to explain things away as saying it was a "Thanosbot" (nod to Dr. Doom) when things seemed odd. I actually liked this idea as it leaves things open for new iterations to come.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 10, 2016 9:15:34 GMT -5
I thought this was rather unique and creative a the time for Starlin. Instead of having to see characters you created being continued and written horribly out of character he created an actual cut off point. We all know in comic books that nobody is really dead and every writer can come up with a way to bring somebody back. With Starlin "killing" them it makes such a rebirth and character change seem more natural. And as Starlin has done in later years he can pick and choose what he liked of subsequent "versions" of his characters and not have to explain things away as saying it was a "Thanosbot" (nod to Dr. Doom) when things seemed odd. I actually liked this idea as it leaves things open for new iterations to come. I think what impresses me most about the Thanos Saga isn't the work itself, but rather how Starlin got it made, beginning as a fill-in artist, building his career on this ongoing storyline, and (most importantly) doing it with the characters nobody else wanted, leaving him a lot of leeway with how to handle them. Had he been an established talent in the bullpen, he would have been put to work on more established characters, and that surely would have restricted what he could have done with them. Starlin's is a classic comicdom version of the Cinderella story, and while it would have been nice to see him stick solely with one character/title, the Thanos Saga really couldn't have achieved what it did any other way.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 14, 2016 20:42:55 GMT -5
I thought this was rather unique and creative a the time for Starlin. Instead of having to see characters you created being continued and written horribly out of character he created an actual cut off point. We all know in comic books that nobody is really dead and every writer can come up with a way to bring somebody back. The only creators that were able to end their characters without them being brought back was Gaiman on Sandman and Ennis on Hitman.
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