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Post by Chris on Sept 30, 2017 20:57:58 GMT -5
Sorry MJ. Forgot about that thread. Merging threads now. Engage... So this thread has been retconned...? |
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Post by Chris on Sept 30, 2017 21:01:37 GMT -5
I remember the character but nothing else about him, so I guess he wasn't so great He really wasn't, on his own. I didn't pick up his miniseries in 1995, and although I think I picked up one of the issues a couple years later from a back issue box, I can't really recall for sure if I did, much less if I actually ever read it. Watching triumph interact with the Ray and the JLTF was fun, though. The way Triumph ended up in JLTF was just .... harsh, yet it seemed quite deserved. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2017 21:02:11 GMT -5
Another major retcon that served as the foundation of a shared super-hero universe was the idea that the Golden Age super-heroes lived on Earth-2 and that there was an Earth-1 for the Silver Age heroes. Barry Allen remembered reading the adventures of Jay Garrick in a comic, but in Flash #123 they inserted the new continuity that those heroes existed on another Earth.
So yet again, adding continuity where it didn't necessarily exist before is the cornerstone of shared comic book universes. They wouldn't exist without it, but oft times forget that foundational truth and only label the changes they dislike as retcons because of the negative connotations of the term, and changes they like are something else, but pretty much all comic continuity started as a retcon that made separate stand alone stories part of a larger whole, a strand in a tapestry of a shared universe. Denial is strong in fandom.
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Sept 30, 2017 22:16:37 GMT -5
Post by Phil Maurice on Sept 30, 2017 22:16:37 GMT -5
. . .a strand in a tapestry of a shared universe. Setting your assonance aside, that's a lovely turn of phrase, and I might just steal it.  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 1, 2017 5:34:54 GMT -5
Is it really a retcon if they just reveal something that was formally unknown ? A few years ago it was revealed that Balder the Brave is actually Thor's brother.
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 1, 2017 9:20:23 GMT -5
The Golden Age was jam-packed with retcons, folks, Superboy being one of the most flagrant. Cei-U! I summon the sun under which there is nothing new! (Whew, that was convoluted!) When, I was reading Comics back then and that's was 20-30 years ago and I did not know what was a Retcons is until someone here in this forum explained to me a little more a year ago and that's makes me mad and I did not know that this term existed. I still hate them for what they worth ... The term "retroactive continuity" itself only dates back to the late '70s. It was coined by Cat Yronwode in her CBG column and popularized by Roy Thomas, who adopted it to explain what he was doing with All-Star Squadron. I'm not sure where or when it got shortened to "retcon" but it had happened by the time I'd dropped out of comics in '86. Cei-U! I summon the etymology! |
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Post by Dizzy D on Oct 1, 2017 9:41:38 GMT -5
Is it really a retcon if they just reveal something that was formally unknown ? A few years ago it was revealed that Balder the Brave is actually Thor's brother. Is a retcon if it was part of the original mythology for centuries? |
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Oct 1, 2017 9:49:27 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 1, 2017 9:49:27 GMT -5
Balder in this form has been around for 70 years. Why change it now ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 9:56:17 GMT -5
When, I was reading Comics back then and that's was 20-30 years ago and I did not know what was a Retcons is until someone here in this forum explained to me a little more a year ago and that's makes me mad and I did not know that this term existed. I still hate them for what they worth ... The term "retroactive continuity" itself only dates back to the late '70s. It was coined by Cat Yronwode in her CBG column and popularized by Roy Thomas, who adopted it to explain what he was doing with All-Star Squadron. I'm not sure where or when it got shortened to "retcon" but it had happened by the time I'd dropped out of comics in '86. Cei-U! I summon the etymology! Cei-U, To be honest with you, I really bothered by Roy Thomas contributions to All-Star Squadron and I felt that he was not the right man for this series and having said that I felt that his ideas not what it's seems. I felt that he confused me and someone here told me that Amazing Man is a Golden Age Character than a Silver Age Character of which I thought so. Boy, I've been had here and it's irks me greatly. I dropped out of comics in '85 (a year earlier than you) and didn't get back into into it until '99 of which I've missed the entire Bronze Age of Comics and I don't know much about it either. Just a FYI here. I don't what anyone here to tell me when the term "retcon" started and all that because it's doesn't mean a thing to me anymore and thanks for the "heads up" here. I really appreciate it very much. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 9:58:13 GMT -5
Balder in this form has been around for 70 years. Why change it now ? So your retconning the creation of Marvel's Balder back to 1947? -M |
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Oct 1, 2017 10:34:29 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 1, 2017 10:34:29 GMT -5
Oops. That's what happens when you read comics in math class...
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Oct 1, 2017 19:38:50 GMT -5
I think my favorite retcon of all is that Cap was frozen in a block of ice and Bucky seemingly killed on a mission before the end of WWII that was done in Avengers #4. Pretty much a large part of the foundation of the Marvel universe rests on that retcon. -M Ooh! I just came here to mention how the Avengers # 4 Cap retcon was my least favorite of all time, how it completely screws up years of continuity, how killing Bucky in a two page flashback robbed the moment of all dramatic oomph, and how I truly hate the inelegant patchwork of fixes that have accumulated to try to "fix" it.* Also broccoli people. |
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Oct 2, 2017 8:33:58 GMT -5
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Post by tarkintino on Oct 2, 2017 8:33:58 GMT -5
Great: Captain America revived after being frozen for decades. The associated, explosive death of Bucky gave Cap one of the great character development arcs in comics history.
Bad: Bucky revival as Winter Soldier.
Terrible/unforgivable: Sins Past. Leave it to Marvel to think trashing up a dead character's history means good storytelling. It did not work out that way. No wonder Alex Ross painted the Spider-Man protecting Gwen cover of Comics Buyers Guide (where he expressed his dislike of the plot in question).
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 2, 2017 14:14:33 GMT -5
Is it really a retcon if they just reveal something that was formally unknown ? A few years ago it was revealed that Balder the Brave is actually Thor's brother. Is a retcon if it was part of the original mythology for centuries? As far as the comic goes, I would say absolutely. It would be like revealing Thor is actually a red-head who dyed his hair for all these years or that Loki had sex with Sif. (Sif's hair color was actually elegantly explained in a Thor annual, so I give it a pass!) Nothing in the comic suggested Balder was Odin's son, and this revelation actually conflicts with some past plot lines. Retcon, I say! Retcon! |
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Post by Cei-U! on Oct 2, 2017 15:23:52 GMT -5
Since Thor's mother was Gaea, Balder can at best be a half-brother. But if the God of Light is indeed a Son of Odin, why didn't Loki ever express the same brotherly loathing for the Big B that he traditionally has for Thor? And isn't it funny that in more than two decades of continuity (which is as far as my knowledge extends), the relationship was never alluded to once, not even in the first two Official Handbook series? I'm with RR: Retcon, I say! Retcon!
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