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Post by urrutiap on Nov 23, 2016 12:28:42 GMT -5
Mostly a few things I've noticed in the Uncanny X Men comic from the 1980s up to Jubilee showing up at the Australian outback days.
Wolverine gets beat up alot by gangs such Reavers where young girls save him. Such as katie power of power Pack n uncanny x Men 205 I think and Jubilee of course in the later issues
Anyone else notice those things besides me?
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 23, 2016 12:37:40 GMT -5
Nope, I quit reading after Paul Smith left the book. He still got beat up, before, but wasn't being rescued by young girls, depending on how old Yukio was supposed to be. I preferred the early days, when he carved tic-tac-toe into one of Prof. Xavier's end tables.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 23, 2016 17:11:35 GMT -5
Claremont was famous in the '80s for treating female characters like actual, grown-up people. And bless him for it! His X-ladies and the supporting cast were a welcome relief from the stereotypical damsel in distress or bewitching temptress stereotypes.
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Post by RikerDonegal on Nov 23, 2016 20:17:48 GMT -5
Claremont was famous in the '80s for treating female characters like actual, grown-up people. And bless him for it! His X-ladies and the supporting cast were a welcome relief from the stereotypical damsel in distress or bewitching temptress stereotypes. It was one of the great things about reading the X-Men back then, and seeing how comics were far ahead of TV. On TV shows like A-Team or Airwolf the female characters were underwritten and underused. Sure, you had dramas like Hill Street Blues and St. Elsewhere but it always frustrated/disappointed me that action shows couldn't do what Claremont was doing with ease.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2016 22:00:02 GMT -5
Claremont was famous in the '80s for treating female characters like actual, grown-up people. And bless him for it! His X-ladies and the supporting cast were a welcome relief from the stereotypical damsel in distress or bewitching temptress stereotypes. The Sentinels rocked too.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 24, 2016 8:52:05 GMT -5
Claremont was famous in the '80s for treating female characters like actual, grown-up people. And bless him for it! His X-ladies and the supporting cast were a welcome relief from the stereotypical damsel in distress or bewitching temptress stereotypes. It certainly was a refreshing change from the Silver Age females in the MU, from Karen Page in DD being defined by her constant pining for Matt to supposed capable women like Sharon Carter (a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent) and Sue Storm being nothing more than props to be rescued by the male heroes. I loved the fight between Scott and Ororo for the leadership of the X-Men, because she was shown as being just as worthy of the role as he was.
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Post by Lolatadatodo on Nov 24, 2016 9:08:45 GMT -5
It certainly was a refreshing change from the Silver Age females in the MU, from Karen Page in DD being defined by her constant pining for MattI appreciate her more in the show. She seems to be pretty awesome when push comes to shove (but I am only getting ready to start episode 3 of season 2, so things could change, I guess?).
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Post by The Captain on Nov 24, 2016 9:13:38 GMT -5
It certainly was a refreshing change from the Silver Age females in the MU, from Karen Page in DD being defined by her constant pining for MattI appreciate her more in the show. She seems to be pretty awesome when push comes to shove (but I am only getting ready to start episode 3 of season 2, so things could change, I guess?). I've never seen the show (we're getting Netflix soon, so I will at some point), but this makes sense. It wouldn't be smart to have a one-dimensional female character, particularly if she is one of the supposed leads, especially when you have such complex and powerful female characters like Cersei Lannister existing on TV at the same time.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 24, 2016 9:20:26 GMT -5
Claremont was famous in the '80s for treating female characters like actual, grown-up people. And bless him for it! His X-ladies and the supporting cast were a welcome relief from the stereotypical damsel in distress or bewitching temptress stereotypes. It certainly was a refreshing change from the Silver Age females in the MU, from Karen Page in DD being defined by her constant pining for Matt to supposed capable women like Sharon Carter (a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent) and Sue Storm being nothing more than props to be rescued by the male heroes. I loved the fight between Scott and Ororo for the leadership of the X-Men, because she was shown as being just as worthy of the role as he was. Oh, yeah! Scott was my guy, but the right person won that fight. Ororo was not only an excellent leader, but had proven her outstanding character by overcoming the loss of her powers and emerging from the ordeal even stronger than before. Scott was trying to remain the X-Men's leader for the wrong reasons. In his defense, he must have come to realize that at the end. When Ororo removed his visor, he shut his eyes and admitted defeat instead of blasting her into the wall. Not that it would have made him very popular to win that way, of course, but that's what a petty man would have done. Man, that brings me back to an era where such things actually mattered... when decisions taken in one issue had important repercussions five years down the line. Today (and that's the old curmudgeon in me talking) it feels like we have the hero killed one issue, the universe destroyed the next, the whole line rebooted the issue after that and everyone being replaced by time-displaced dopplegängers for the relaunch of the mag. Grumblegripegrumblegripegrumblegripe!
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 24, 2016 9:22:01 GMT -5
It certainly was a refreshing change from the Silver Age females in the MU, from Karen Page in DD being defined by her constant pining for MattI appreciate her more in the show. She seems to be pretty awesome when push comes to shove (but I am only getting ready to start episode 3 of season 2, so things could change, I guess?). Don't worry, they won't! Karen might have taken a second seat to (spoilers) but she remains awesome for the whole series!
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 24, 2016 10:10:23 GMT -5
Nope, I quit reading after Paul Smith left the book. He still got beat up, before, but wasn't being rescued by young girls, depending on how old Yukio was supposed to be. I preferred the early days, when he carved tic-tac-toe into one of Prof. Xavier's end tables. You picked a great time to leave. The series really went down the tubes after that, IMHO.
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Post by RikerDonegal on Nov 24, 2016 10:27:24 GMT -5
Claremont was famous in the '80s for treating female characters like actual, grown-up people. And bless him for it! His X-ladies and the supporting cast were a welcome relief from the stereotypical damsel in distress or bewitching temptress stereotypes. It certainly was a refreshing change from the Silver Age females in the MU, from Karen Page in DD being defined by her constant pining for Matt to supposed capable women like Sharon Carter (a S.H.I.E.L.D. agent) and Sue Storm being nothing more than props to be rescued by the male heroes. And Betty Ross!! I'm re-reading some Hulks from the early 70s at the moment. She usually appears for one short scene (three or four panels). Ross and Talbot will say something to each other about their latest scheme to trap/stop the Hulk and Betty immediately says/thinks something about how the Hulk is really "the man I love." Issue after issue, year after year, this is the only thing that she ever thinks about or talks about.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 24, 2016 12:53:26 GMT -5
Nope, I quit reading after Paul Smith left the book. He still got beat up, before, but wasn't being rescued by young girls, depending on how old Yukio was supposed to be. I preferred the early days, when he carved tic-tac-toe into one of Prof. Xavier's end tables. You picked a great time to leave. The series really went down the tubes after that, IMHO. Well, that was part of it. Wolverine and Mariko's wedding was sabotaged, after all of the events of the mini-series, I didn't like the new art, and the story was tedious. I wasn't overly fond of the return of Mastermind, just before, as it seemed like a rehash of Dark Phoenix. We had already gone through it with X-Men/New Teen Titans, though that was alternate world stuff, so it was cool. I just felt like Claremont was out of ideas, afraid of mature relationships and the whole cycle was just repeating itself. I was aided by going off to college and money being tight (though not tight enough that I didn't read other comics) and just made a break with it. Didn't miss it, as Claremont continued his obsession with Alien and the art just seemed to get worse and worse; or at least, far enough away from what I enjoyed. Thankfully, Classic X-Men started up not too much later and I could revisit the days when everything was forming and being improvised, including all of the stuff I missed. That was my X-Men fix, for the next few years, until it caught up with where I had the complete issues. The early days were more fun, as they just kind of tried things out, doing short pieces, while slowly developing larger stories. For instance, when Eric the Red shows up, we kind of have single issue stories, but the mystery of Eric and whatever brainwashing of Havoc and Polaris happened, and then we got something else, and a bit more, whether it was a scene aboard the Starjammer or Xavier's dreams of Lilandra. Then, they went full-on Star wars, with the Shi'ar and Byrne came on board, and it turned epic. Byrne may have helped turn it into The X-Men; but, I preferred the swashbuckling stories of Dave Cockrum. Don't get me wrong, I love Dark Phoenix and all of that; but, it lost a sense of fun, which only seemed to turn up occasionally, when they played baseball, and when Kitty told bedtime stories.
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Post by earl on Nov 24, 2016 14:15:15 GMT -5
Your forgetting the classic Hulk trope where Betty speaks up for Bruce and Thunderbolt usually replies back with "I don't know what you see in that milksop" or something of the like.
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Post by tingramretro on Nov 25, 2016 4:03:18 GMT -5
Claremont was famous in the '80s for treating female characters like actual, grown-up people. And bless him for it! His X-ladies and the supporting cast were a welcome relief from the stereotypical damsel in distress or bewitching temptress stereotypes. It was one of the great things about reading the X-Men back then, and seeing how comics were far ahead of TV. On TV shows like A-Team or Airwolf the female characters were underwritten and underused. Sure, you had dramas like Hill Street Blues and St. Elsewhere but it always frustrated/disappointed me that action shows couldn't do what Claremont was doing with ease. Well, I think Marvel might have objected if they'd used Storm, Rogue and Moira MacTaggart on Airwolf. It's a thought, though...
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