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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 2, 2017 17:10:01 GMT -5
We have to agree to disagree. Those series were good stories but borrowed from previous stories or series. Planetary= X-Files and FF 100 bullets= Crime stories from every era of comic books LOEG= Avengers or JLA etc. Superman =Doc Savage + circus strongman outfit Batman=Shadow + Doc Savage FF=Challengers of the Unknown w/super-powers Dr. Strange=MandrakeThor=Norse myth + Superman JSA=Knights of the Round Table JLA=JSA Avengers=JLA and we can go on and on, your logic defines all of comics characters not just the post-1995 like you want to insist there was some kind of change occurring in and that things were different before that -M And Clea = Lothar! (without the fez, of course)  |
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 2, 2017 17:24:07 GMT -5
I read this question differently, interpreting it to be asking the definition of "classic" as it applies to comics. A classic has nothing to do with the time it first appeared or was created. Nor does having been in existence for a certain number of years confer classic status. I thought the OP was talking about the qualities that a comics must have to achieve classic status. Longevity might be one, but I'm not sold on longevity as a requirement, because classics often go unrecognized for a long time. Citizen Kane was a classic the day it opened, despite many not-so-flattering reviews. Moby-Dick was, even as it sat in Melville's desk drawer unpublished for decades. I'm sure the same can be said of many comics. Universality is often mentioned as an attribute of any work that might be considered a classic. Don Quixote, King Lear, City Lights, Dracula, and Barks's Donald Duck have always had broad appeal across every kind of boundary imaginable, for instance. Originality might be another characteristic, as classics often are the source of archetypes, whether in character, style, orchestration, and so on. However, an artist can also be creative when he or she uses an archetype and thus create a classic. Hope I'm not derailing anything here. If I am, please ignore this post.  |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 2, 2017 17:24:26 GMT -5
But the subject is CLASSICS. I don't see any of the latter books mentioned as classic. Everything The Captain listed are CLASSICS. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 2, 2017 17:25:35 GMT -5
Not in my opinion.
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Post by String on Feb 2, 2017 17:26:52 GMT -5
And for the Marvel/DC current crowds that may have never seen any of the old classics: many of the newer things which we might not consider as classic will most likely be called classic in a few years. Identity Crisis 52 Civil War House of M Old Man Logan I can call myself Marilyn Monroe, but that doesn't make it so. I would consider 52 a classic for two reasons: 1) The format. Sustaining the weekly format for a year with hardly a major delay remains impressive. 2) The team. Four primary story threads written by four individual writers working in collaboration. For a year every week with no serious delays. Most impressive. So to me, the parameters of a book, whether the first ever of it's type or it's experimental nature or combination thereof, could also help towards classifying it as a possible classic. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 2, 2017 17:27:40 GMT -5
I guess everything is a regurgitation from Gilgamesh, Ulysses and The Bible  Which is all derived from the pudding of creation which bubbled and frothed until life crawled out from it! Wait, did you say pudding? Bubbling and frothy pudding? You just said the secret word  |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2017 17:37:04 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 17:50:30 GMT -5
If you go through the stuff that Image alone has been publishing the last 15 years or so you can see that saying that "the same old story is being told over and over" is nonsense. I dunno, the biggest selling Image title is probably The Walking Dead and that's just a regurgitated NOTLD type of story. The issues I have read of Saga did seem pretty good though I will say, while my son likes Southern Bastards and Birthright, but I've not read them. But over time it's still probably going to be The Walking Dead that will achieve classic story status when it comes to people mentioning Image. I was going to use the Image 25 Humble Bundle offer to check out some more modern stuff, but when I went to do it today (pay day) I found the offer was over... so I bought a CCF Mug instead! |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 2, 2017 18:05:43 GMT -5
If you go through the stuff that Image alone has been publishing the last 15 years or so you can see that saying that "the same old story is being told over and over" is nonsense. I dunno, the biggest selling Image title is probably The Walking Dead and that's just a regurgitated NOTLD type of story. If you have read the last, oh say 100 issues of The Walking Dead, it's nothing like NOTLD. It's all about the interactions of survivors and building a new society. It's all about humans, not zombies |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2017 18:34:46 GMT -5
If you go through the stuff that Image alone has been publishing the last 15 years or so you can see that saying that "the same old story is being told over and over" is nonsense. I dunno, the biggest selling Image title is probably The Walking Dead and that's just a regurgitated NOTLD type of story. The issues I have read of Saga did seem pretty good though I will say, while my son likes Southern Bastards and Birthright, but I've not read them. But over time it's still probably going to be The Walking Dead that will achieve classic story status when it comes to people mentioning Image. I was going to use the Image 25 Humble Bundle offer to check out some more modern stuff, but when I went to do it today (pay day) I found the offer was over... so I bought a CCF Mug instead! Southern Bastards is outstanding. As is The Fade-Out and anything else by Brubaker and Philips. Paper Girls is super fun. Chew was incredible. They really have something for pretty much everyone. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 2, 2017 18:56:08 GMT -5
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Post by Phil Maurice on Feb 2, 2017 20:00:25 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 2, 2017 20:17:15 GMT -5
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 2, 2017 20:19:28 GMT -5
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