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Post by james on Feb 1, 2017 13:08:57 GMT -5
So I was listening to 102.9 the classic rock station in Philadelphia and I heard Guns and Roses. I thought to myself when did that become "classic rock"? So I thought I'd ask that about comics? What makes a comic "classic". What's the age cutoff? Anything out out past a year, 5 year, 10 year? I of course understand that 1930's through 1989 comics can be in that classic realm. I also understand and an amazing story, say Future Imperfect circa 1990's consistutes "classic". But what about everything else?
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Post by Rob Allen on Feb 1, 2017 14:03:25 GMT -5
On this board we've decided to go with 10 years as the cutoff for official "classic" status, but that doesn't usually inhibit conversation about good comics of any age.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 20:00:35 GMT -5
I use the term classic (in regards to comics) as comics that I read - or wanted to read - as a kid. So the early 1970's onwards basically. However, any old comics printed on newsprint with four colour covers fit the bill too... and I still find those old covers attractive today.
The Walking Dead comic is over ten years old but I don't consider that a 'classic comic', it's a modern day comic to me.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 1, 2017 20:43:10 GMT -5
The music thing is something my wife and I discuss all the time... there's a difference between a classic song and 'classic rock'. Classic Rock brings to mind a specific era (mid 60s to the early 70s)... Gun 'n' Roses might feel like a classic, but it's not 'classic rock'... its Hair Metal.
For me, 'Classic Comics' is later silver to mid bronze age.
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Post by james on Feb 1, 2017 20:54:01 GMT -5
I think classic is ,golden to bronze. Again like 1935-1989.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 21:05:35 GMT -5
The music thing is something my wife and I discuss all the time... there's a difference between a classic song and 'classic rock'. Classic Rock brings to mind a specific era (mid 60s to the early 70s)... Gun 'n' Roses might feel like a classic, but it's not 'classic rock'... its Hair Metal. For me, 'Classic Comics' is later silver to mid bronze age. There's actually a trend in rock radio now to move away from the term "classic rock" and replace it with the term Iconic Rock-meaning rock from any era that is instantly recognizable as "rock" so anything from the Beatles to G-n-R to Nirvana can fit under that massive umbrella, giving stations a wider playlist to draw from as the core demographic gets older and wants stuff from their high school and college years and a lot of that is stuff that came from the late 80s and 90s as well as the older rock material they listened listed top that typically falls under the classic rock moniker. Classic is possibly one of the most subjective terms around. It varies from person to person and when they were born, when they first experienced whatever thing you are talking about(-classic rock, classic comics, classic cars, etc.) whether they leans towards nostalgia or what they consider quality (another subjective measurement) when they use the term classic, etc. There can be no one answer, so you need to just come up with a standard or a consensus every can use even if it doesn't technically fit their personal canon of what is classic. We ran through this argument when the site was created after the CBRApocalypse, and the consensus was a sliding scale of 10 years. Everything 10 years and older falls under the classic moniker, and should be discussed int he classic comic section, everything less than 10 years old, is modern and should be discussed in the modern section. If you think something in the division is too recent to be considered classic, it is just a sign you are getting old and falling out of the favored 18-35 demographic and you should start rehearsing your get off my lawn lines... Seriously, trying to hash it out again is pretty much useless, no one will agree,some compromise working definition will have to be found for the site that pleases no one fully but is necessary to serve as a guideline and a lot of grumpiness will ensue, but we already did that, so at this point we just need to live with it whether we agree with the dividing line or not. Even if we change it, whatever new point dividing point we come with will eave just as many people unsatisfied as the old one and nothing meaningful will be accomplished. Now get off my cyber lawn and let me go back to reading comics (or moving boxes of comics which has been more common with the house project I am in the middle of). -M
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2017 22:30:22 GMT -5
I think classic is ,golden to bronze. Again like 1935-1989. I agree with you on this. When the Image era started is the dividing line in my head between classic & modern although I consider 90's Valiant worthy of classic status.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 2:03:55 GMT -5
What makes a Comic Classic?
To me, I would consider the Golden Age of Comics - the beginning and knowing that in another 10-20 years from now - most no one will even think about it and it's would be very sad to see people forget about Bulletman, Bulletgirl, Blonde Phantom, Sun Girl, and all the other Golden Age Heroes and Heroines. For me alone, I'm trying my best to educate people at my LCS about it and they all thanks me for sharing that information to them and knowing that I'm afraid that that era of Comics will be lost and forgotten.
The Bronze Age ended in the mid 80's and in my knowledge that 35 years ago and that's a generation ago and to me a Comic to be a Classic has to be more than a Generation Ago and saying that I have to say all Comic Books published from 1930 to 1970 (End of the Silver Age) to be deemed Classic and all Comic Books published from 1970 to 1985 (Bronze Age) will be classic around 2020. I only know three eras of Comics - Gold, Silver, and Bronze and all the rest is not as defined and that's where problem begins.
Couple of years ago we started having digital comics and that bothers me a great deal and I have to accept that and digital comics are easy to access to and I have a hard time accepting them to be classic in another 10 to 20 years from now and in my own world - a Classic Comic has to be in print form period.
My fear is someday all comics will be in digital format. No paper will be printed and I hate that.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 2, 2017 2:17:59 GMT -5
Time keeps moving forward so setting the term "classic" in a fixed timeframe is ultimately fruitless. That's pretty much why we had the consensus of the sliding timescale of 10 years on this forum
As mrp mentioned, before he went to sleep on his new Derek Jeter pillow, it affects the music radio stations too When Rock "N Roll radio stations began (I'm thinking WCBS-FM in NYC) in the late 1970's, they would play songs from the 1950's. They even had regularly scheduled programs focusing on Doo-Wop music. Nowadays, They have dropped the entire 1950's decade and hardly play anything from the 1960's with the exception of The Beatles and a few others
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 2:26:58 GMT -5
Time keeps moving forward so setting the term "classic" in a fixed timeframe is ultimately fruitless. That's pretty much why we had the consensus of the sliding timescale of 10 years on this forum As mrp mentioned, before he went to sleep on his new Derek Jeter pillow, it affects the music radio stations too When Rock "N Roll radio stations began (I'm thinking WCBS-FM in NYC) in the late 1970's, they would play songs from the 1950's. They even had regularly scheduled programs focusing on Doo-Wop music. Nowadays, They have dropped the entire 1950's decade and hardly play anything from the 1960's with the exception of The Beatles and a few others This sir is slander (or is it libel-does an internet post count as being in print?). I do not sleep on a Derek Jeter pillow. I may get one to place under my naked butt so Jeter and the Yanks can kiss my a$$ all day, but I would never sleep on a Derek Jeter pillow. It would never work, I would go to put my head down only to find he didn't have the range to get there in time to field it. -M
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 9:55:40 GMT -5
My fear is someday all comics will be in digital format. No paper will be printed and I hate that. That is almost certainly the way the world is going. Physical collections will be replaced by digital 'collections' which - even though I am a fan of Comixology - are just not the same. But they are very conveniant and cheap, which is going to be the key requirement of future generations. In 2030 buying a paper comic every wednesday and putting it in a Mylar bag might just be a quaint old pastime your granddad did; going online and downloading it in the digital format of your choice will be accepted as the norm for comics and other forms of media. The future scares me too, the only good thing is I won't be around for most of it!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 10:36:43 GMT -5
My fear is someday all comics will be in digital format. No paper will be printed and I hate that. That is almost certainly the way the world is going. Physical collections will be replaced by digital 'collections' which - even though I am a fan of Comixology - are just not the same. But they are very conveniant and cheap, which is going to be the key requirement of future generations. In 2030 buying a paper comic every wednesday and putting it in a Mylar bag might just be a quaint old pastime your granddad did; going online and downloading it in the digital format of your choice will be accepted as the norm for comics and other forms of media. The future scares me too, the only good thing is I won't be around for most of it! Understood Completely ... I probably stop buying Comics around 2020 or so. And, stick with Graphic Novels instead.
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Post by MDG on Feb 2, 2017 11:30:10 GMT -5
I tend to draw the line in the late 70s, when distribution moved from newsstand to comic shops and the beginning of alternative publishers.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 2, 2017 11:39:44 GMT -5
It's a sliding 10 year timeframe that we use here . But I can't really think of anything created after maybe 1995 that I would consider classic. It's mostly regurgitated ideas IMHO.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 2, 2017 11:41:58 GMT -5
It's a sliding 10 year timeframe that we use here . But I can't really think of anything created after maybe 1995 that I would consider classic. It's mostly regurgitated ideas IMHO. I'm not sure it's possible to disagree more with something.
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