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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 3, 2017 17:10:58 GMT -5
There's something that makes these characters special and set apart from the rest. Superman, Batman, Spider-man are more world known than those other characters mentioned. Ask anyone in the streets who Jon Carter and Doc Savage are, they won't know. Maybe it's survival of the fittest ? Stick to this regurgitation complaint you and another had and tell me about all the original comic book concepts from the good old days.You must have tons of them You haven't quite refuted what I wrote. The public recognizes the gems. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 3, 2017 17:19:54 GMT -5
Stick to this regurgitation complaint you and another had and tell me about all the original comic book concepts from the good old days.You must have tons of them You haven't quite refuted what I wrote. The public recognizes the gems. I refuted your regurgitation and "original" argument. Why are we switching to what a man-on-the-street knows? They wouldn't know where to find a comic book shop |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Feb 3, 2017 17:24:24 GMT -5
Being the most popular =/= being first. Or most original. Or best.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 3, 2017 17:27:32 GMT -5
You haven't quite refuted what I wrote. The public recognizes the gems. I refuted your regurgitation and "original" argument. Why are we switching to what a man-on-the-street knows? They wouldn't know where to find a comic book shop I don't see where you have refuted anything. Superman Batman and Spider-man are original in their design, social trappings and their origins. And don't be too quick to toss out the man in the street, they have voted with their dollars. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 3, 2017 17:38:56 GMT -5
I refuted your regurgitation and "original" argument. Why are we switching to what a man-on-the-street knows? They wouldn't know where to find a comic book shop I don't see where you have refuted anything. Superman Batman and Spider-man are original in their design, social trappings and their origins. And don't be too quick to toss out the man in the street, they have voted with their dollars. Spider-Man? Guy gets bit and develops powers. Like a werewolf, right? Batman? Yeah if you don't count the many shadowy pulp characters that preceded him like The Bat, The Shadow, Zorro and others. Social trappings? Got no clue what you are talking about. I'm done with this. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 3, 2017 20:45:40 GMT -5
Setting aside for the moment the utilitarian definition we've settled on here at CCF, I believe something is truly classic only if it continues to resonate with an audience after the era of its creation (and isn't just depending on the nostalgia factor for its appeal). We all know the work of Hemingway and Fitzgerald and Faulkner but who remembers the scores of authors writing during the same time whose work lacked the timeless relevance of those greats? The studios churned out hundreds of movies during the so called Golden Age of Hollywood, but comparatively few can be considered genuine classics. For every Casablanca or Night at the Opera out there, there are dozens of deservedly forgotten westerns, romances and crime films that offer nothing of value to a contemporary viewer. Ditto for TV series. I've been watching a lot of so called classic TV while sidelined by my dental problems and I can tell you that rare indeed are the old shows that I can tolerate for more than one episode. And of course my work has exposed me to thousands of Golden Age comics completely unworthy of being called classic. Many of those considered classic are identified as such not because of any intrinsic quality in these stories but because later interpretations of the characters achieved that status. As much as I enjoy reading 1940s JSA stories, for example, I have no illusions about them being an outstanding use of the medium. Maybe one or two come close but as a rule the stories are nonsensical, the characterization non-existent, and the art frequently crude and amateurish. Therefore I would not recommend the All-Star run to anyone purely as an entertaining read as I would Walt Kelly's Pogo or Will Eisner's Spirit (to name two of its contemporaries). Culturally, I think we've been far too quick in assigning classic status to works undeserving of that designation in every medium.
Cei-U!
I summon the high standards!
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Post by Phil Maurice on Feb 3, 2017 22:28:34 GMT -5
Culturally, I think we've been far too quick in assigning classic status to works undeserving of that designation in every medium. This times a million! I was hoping your equipment would be ready in time to weigh in on some of the issues we've been struggling with in your absence, Kurt. Your being here has a steadying effect that makes everything seem a little brighter, a little more tolerable.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 7:03:30 GMT -5
It doesn't mean it's not regurgitated from somewhere else though; if not NOTLD, then Lord of the Flies or the old Eagle comic strip, Survival, (that probably loosely based on the 1970's BBC TV show, Survivors.)We're back again with this regurgitation business, but now you're throwing out other possibilities. So my question to you is: Name something that's holy original in comic book history. Absolutely nothing like it before from other medias Well, I was quite happy with the NOTLD comparison. As if that film, probably around 90 mins long, had been a TV series running for a few years, it would have had to have dealt with how the humans survived. There's only so much boarding yourself up in a house or a shopping mall you can do. Eventually you'd have to build a new community somewhere and go on supply runs, etc... So the comic book took the original idea and expanded on it. I don't see it as a crime though. In the early days of comics I am sure there was plenty of original ideas, they have just been milked to death ever since though. Which for me, doesn't make them classics. (Which was where this all started.) |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 4, 2017 7:44:44 GMT -5
It takes a special combination of concept and creators to make something last and become , what I consider, Classic.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Feb 8, 2017 20:08:06 GMT -5
Three things make a classic comic for me
1) Great cover art or story
2) Printed on newsprint (unless a special format)
3) Generally has a sub $1.00 price box (again unless a special format)
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Post by String on Feb 9, 2017 10:39:51 GMT -5
If it's still in (re)print, it's a classic.
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Post by MDG on Feb 9, 2017 12:33:44 GMT -5
If it's still in (re)print, it's a classic. I'd reverse that: if it's a classic, it's (probably) still in print. There's lots of stuff that's been reprinted that's not classic--it's just old. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Feb 11, 2017 22:24:09 GMT -5
I believe something is truly classic only if it continues to resonate with an audience after the era of its creation (and isn't just depending on the nostalgia factor for its appeal). Cei-U! I summon the high standards! Sorry for making you paraphrase yourself , I think this is it in a nutshell, however what will happen is that we have to accept that stories which resonate with the audience (ie the comic buying public in general) are soon going to include the likes of Civil War et al. As much as many here will decry the mainstream pap that Joe Public like, by this (very fair IMHO) definition much of it will be deemed "classic".
Looking at Civil War as an example, I believe that a story adapted into a billion dollar movie deserves some classicification ( ), yeah I know there will be howls of protest, but classics tend to be stories that speak to a lot of people, not just arthouse intellectuals.
Myself, a classic is a story I keep coming back to, old or new, if it draws you in multiple times there has to be something classic about it.
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Post by Batflunkie on Feb 11, 2017 23:31:23 GMT -5
I think classic is ,golden to bronze. Again like 1935-1989. I agree with you on this. When the Image era started is the dividing line in my head between classic & modern although I consider 90's Valiant worthy of classic status. James isn't wrong, but I think there's more that should go into considering a comic as a "certified classic", namely the storytelling giving you a legitimate reason to care about the characters and their struggles in a way that "grabs" you emotionally. And I guess you could say that's also kind of what I look for in pro-wrestling feuds, though that's kind of like reading Playboy only for the articles |
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