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Post by berkley on Feb 3, 2017 1:21:23 GMT -5
I'm not sure I even like the term "classic", whether for music or for comics. It makes me feel like we're putting this stuff in a museum, that it's no longer capable of eliciting a response except as an artefact, a piece of cultural history.
I suppose we use it all the time for books and movies or whatever, though, so it's inevitable that it would be used for comics, etc as well.
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Post by Confessor on Feb 3, 2017 1:21:23 GMT -5
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 3, 2017 1:26:58 GMT -5
Classic derailments
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 3, 2017 6:49:09 GMT -5
My opinion is that we should get the thread back on track.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Feb 3, 2017 7:20:19 GMT -5
My opinion is that we should get the thread back on track. With the exception of the bubbling and frothy pudding  |
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Post by Confessor on Feb 3, 2017 8:22:20 GMT -5
My opinion is that we should get the thread back on track. He's right, you know.  |
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Post by brutalis on Feb 3, 2017 8:52:32 GMT -5
A classic comic becomes such by virtue of it being something which you find worth in reading more than once and continue to find value in re-reading it again and again. It doesn't matter if it is a clunker of a red for anybody else: if you like and enjoy it and keep going back to it time and again then it's classic for you and that is all that really matters. Whether comics, music, movies, television or anything else there are so many varieties and differences calling something classic is just a form of shorthand so it can be described in some form as being older or significant.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 3, 2017 8:55:30 GMT -5
My opinion is that we should get the thread back on track. He's right, you know. What's the subject again ? Oh that's right, classic comics. I believe that it has to be something more than a good story to make something a classic. There has to be a combination of a great creative team and a unique character that is unforgettable. Preacher was unique because of it's over the top violence, But it's largely forgotten these days despite it having a cable show. |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 3, 2017 9:02:37 GMT -5
I put this question forth in several facebook groups last night, just to see what people were thinking. The interesting thing is, wherever I took the question, I pretty much ended up getting the same consensus: a "classic" comic is defined both by subjective perceived quality and the passage of time. Thus, a comic released this month is not a "classic," no matter how good, and a forgettable comic from sixty years back is not a "classic" either.
Obviously, our working definition for the community is different, but this is an intriguing definition.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 3, 2017 9:33:55 GMT -5
He's right, you know. What's the subject again ? Oh that's right, classic comics. I believe that it has to be something more than a good story to make something a classic. There has to be a combination of a great creative team and a unique character that is unforgettable. Preacher was unique because of it's over the top violence, But it's largely forgotten these days despite it having a cable show. is largely forgotten? That's a very sad thing. Grumblegrumble whippersnappers grumblegrumble. |
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Post by james on Feb 3, 2017 9:55:57 GMT -5
Loved the first 5 volumes of Preacher but I'm slogging through volume 6.
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Post by The Captain on Feb 3, 2017 9:58:11 GMT -5
What's the subject again ? Oh that's right, classic comics. I believe that it has to be something more than a good story to make something a classic. There has to be a combination of a great creative team and a unique character that is unforgettable. Preacher was unique because of it's over the top violence, But it's largely forgotten these days despite it having a cable show. is largely forgotten? That's a very sad thing. Grumblegrumble whippersnappers grumblegrumble. I was thinking the same thing. It's not like people at the LCS are standing around talking about Preacher on a regular basis any more, but if someone brought it up, I would anticipate more than just a few shoulder shrugs about it. It would be as if I walked into Barnes & Noble this afternoon. I wouldn't expect to hear any random discussion about Shakespeare or Steinbeck or Dickens, but I definitely expect there to be more than a "meh" reaction if I brought them up as "classics". |
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Post by shaxper on Feb 3, 2017 10:18:59 GMT -5
Preacher is largely forgotten? That's a very sad thing. Grumblegrumble whippersnappers grumblegrumble. I was thinking the same thing. It's not like people at the LCS are standing around talking about Preacher on a regular basis any more, but if someone brought it up, I would anticipate more than just a few shoulder shrugs about it. It would be as if I walked into Barnes & Noble this afternoon. I wouldn't expect to hear any random discussion about Shakespeare or Steinbeck or Dickens, but I definitely expect there to be more than a "meh" reaction if I brought them up as "classics". But memories are short in comicdom. Cerebus is an excellent example. Even those who hated what Dave Sim stood for revered his accomplishment as an utter triumph between the 1980s and early 2000s, but once there was no more Cerebus material being produced, the work fell into collective unconsciousness. There are far more people now who have heard about Cerebus than have actually engaged it and celebrate it. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 3, 2017 10:24:10 GMT -5
There's truth in that, shax. Makes me wonder whether the Fantastic Four's great series will be forgotten now that it's been canceled.
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Post by brutalis on Feb 3, 2017 10:38:55 GMT -5
This is what this forum and us oldster's are here for. To keep the good stuff alive and in providing insights to the newer generation coming along. We provide them a way to see and learn about things that they may not ever find or pick up on their own. People tend to either settle into a pattern of what they like and never expand beyond that or they can focus to determinedly upon only what is right there in front of them. We grew up in a different time and frame of mind and were exposed to older/earlier things just because there was limited newer things to enjoy and older things remained in the current trends longer.
Today is a whole different world. Everything has a short face value or life. A monthly comic book series is now collected into a TPB within months of its initial publishing. A movie runs at a theater for 3 months if it is lucky and out on DVD by 6 months. A video game is bought, played through completely and then traded in for money to buy the next new game that is coming up. A family car was around for life, you learned to work on it, tune it up, keep it running to use and pass along to your children, now by the time your car is paid for in 3-5 years it is nearly time to purchase a new one.
We have the benefit of our past upbringing to guide us and we should share our wealth of knowledge in comics about artists, writers, inkers, colorists, editors and companies so that newer generations will gain exposure and benefits from what we can share with them about our love of comic books. I make it a point to provide comic books, music and novels/books as gifts every birthday and Christmas to all of my friends children in hopes of turning them on to something new and continuing the tradition of comic book reading no matter how the comic books may evolve and change for future generations.
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